Thoughts on the scrimmage

[ironlions]

Just a few things that stood out to me.

Timmy D- I love his intensity and toughness. I think him and Garibay provide us with two great options in the post.

Ashley- Clearly a starter in my book now. His strength and speed really stood out. He made 7 straight free throws on shots he was fouled on.

Given- I know he was a big banged up. I like his shooting touch. If he can work on his handles he will give us some great minutes.

Alex- Really did a great job. Got rebounds hit some shots. I was very impressed.

Teel- Despite his turn overs and free throws he will be hard to keep off the floor. He is a scoring machine that refuses to lose.

Drew- You could see the talent he has- I think as he works on spacing and moving without the ball he will get even better.

Kevin- didn't really see the energy I have seen him with in pick up games.

Walk-ons- We have TOO many!

Over all with Larry, Edgar, and JD sitting out it was great to see how deep we are.

My starting five now:

PG- JD
SG-Teel until Larry comes back.
SF- Viney
PF- Hamilton
C- Garibay

Go Lions

[smc4]

FULLY agree on the starting 5.

[lmu2008]

Oct 26, 2009 17:27:04 GMT -5 @smc4 said:

FULLY agree on the starting 5.

Seems to me like Kevin Young should be used as a spark off the bench with his steals and length, kinda like how the Lakers used Trevor Ariza last year off the bench.

It concerns me that Teel hasn't improved his free throws.

[lmumbbfan]

My observation of the crimson & navy scrimmage. Or was it the vernon teel show. . Because that's what it looked like to me. First the white team.Drew Viney #1 team wcc potential.nice size good range on outside shot strong around the basket need's to get the ball in space so he can go to work. T.DIEDERICH'S- hard worker down low.seem's to have good hand's and footwork. a true powerforward like bill bayno said. K. Young-one good dunk looked lost or not in to it to me. :'(G.Kalipinde- seem's to be stronger than he look's.Nice shooting touch need's to work on jumper and handle's more looked real good .Kelsey Chine-a good find looked like he has played DIV-1 ball before way better than other walkons ;D (I like the kid from chicago Kevin Beridini also.). 8-)The blue team-Vernon Teel-Big time scorer ;D.Need's free throw practice badly.Seem's to have forgot how to pass the ball or get other player's involved .a true hotdog selfish player beside's that he is a true gamer. .A.Hamilton-a true beast on the board's.Look's like he has a decent mid-range jumpshot and a pretyty good freethrow shooter.I loved the big dunk he put on K.YOUNG.Hamilton and viney are going to be alot to handle in the WCC.L. Armstead-I like the way he attack's the basket.Seem's to get his point's from the freethrow line.a very smooth looking freethrow shooter 6 of 6 or 5 of 6 from the line. Very impressive on defense ;D.multiple block's and play's the passing lane's good.(had a impressive steal and dunk).A.Osborne-good size for a freshman.Nice hands play's well under the basket need's to pick up intensity'Seem's like a shorter version of Terron Sutton. .B.Sweezy-played hard as usual .very dependable'. the blue team was more aggressive and stronger.V.Teel dictated the whole game on offense. He and armstead seem to much on the defense side of the ball with the help of hamilton,sweezy and osbourne.I was looking forward to watching L.Davis E.Gariby and D.VINEY play. maybe they will be ready to go on NOV THE 4 hope so

[ironlions]

Alex did more in one game that Sutton did at his whole career at LMU.

[lmumbbfan]

HEY IRON LIONS SLOW DOWN. .I like the kid osbourne . He played good ball saturday.I just like to see or big men pick it up intensity wise and be more aggressive.I liked when T.Diederichs dunked and showed some swagger and intensity like playing for lmu is a privilege and honor.YOU have to play with some type of energy and urgency!! and show you are ready to go up against the best the wcc has to offer.THE team seems to have improved.HAMILTON,ARMSTEAD,SWEEZY,TEEL VINEY,LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE SPENT TIME IN THE WEIGHT ROOM.OVER THIS PASS SUMMER(K.YOUNG NEEDS TO HIT THE WEIGHTS REAL BAD DID NOT NOTICE ANY GAIN IN THAT AREA ON HIM) ..OR team looks to be real fast and athletic and plays nice man 2 man defense(especially the kid armstead he looked real tough and solid on perimeter defense) ;D.Teel was excellent offense ball control and scoring .(HEY V.TEEL HERE IS A GOOD IDEA!!!TRY AND GET YOUR OTHER TEAMMATES INVOLVED OR AT LEAST LET THEM TOUCH THE BALL OR SMELL IT .IT'S A KNEW DAY AT LMU AND YOU HAVE DECENT HELP ;D ;D) Can't wait to see the kid davis play with gariby,viney,hamilton and teel(my starting 5 we will be just fine .Plus the 3 freshman(jarred,laron and kevin coming off the bench with osbourne and diederichs) we will be fighting for a top 4 spot in the wcc.I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE THOUGHTS ABOUT SATURDAY'S SCRIMMAGE.And will L.DAVIS,J.DUBOIS,E.GARIBY play on the 4th of November.These guy's are starter's for sure.(2 for sure starters)We have a ten deep rotation going on here .And only one direction to go ;D so see you all Nov.the 4th

[LIONS90045]

You guys are building up my expectations for Garibay - if he starts ahead of Tim at center, he must have some skills.
JD will start at guard and do a lot of ball handling - Teel has slipped back to his one-man-show role that he almost lost by the end of last season. He is scoring guard, I trust JD more with the ball to get others involved.
Davis is probably better than most so I can't wait to see him play and start if healthy.

[lmumbbfan]

WELL IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF YOU GUY'S ARE STARTING TO SEE THINGS THE WAY I SAW B. BAYNO/COACH GOOD AND CURRENT STAFF PUTTING THE PIECES TOGETHER.EDGAR HAS BEEN ASSIGNED THE STARTING CENTER ROLE FOR LMU FROM BAYNO THREW COACH GOOD AND STAFF SINCE THE SUMMER OF 2008.GARIBY WILL DO GOOD 4 OUR TEAM HE IS WHAT WE NEED A TRUE BIG MAN TO BATTLE DOWN LOW AND CONTROL OR LEAST GIVE THE OTHER TEAMS CENTER SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT INSTEAD OF BLOCKING OUR PENETRATION SHOTS AND SNATCHING ALL THE REBOUNDS.BIG EDGAR IS SKILLED BIGMAN WITH A GOOD MIDRANGE JUMPER.RUNS THE FLOOR EXCELLENTLY DECENT HANDS AND FEET MOVEMENT(NO VERY GOOD HANDS ;D).HE WILL START AT CENTER (IMHO ).TIM DIEDERICHS IS ATRUE POWER FORWARD AS BAYNO SAID .THE ONLY REASON TIM IS BEING TALKED ABOUT AT THE 5 SPOT IS BECAUSE WE ARE STILL AVERY SHORT TEAM .WE ONLY HAVE 3 PLAYERS OVER 6'7 #1 GARIBY #2 DIEDERICHS #3K.YOUNG(AND THIS GUY DID NOT LOOK LIKE HE HAS IMPROVED OVER THE SUMMER WEIGHT WISE OR GAME WISE SEEMS BBALL I.Q IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS OUR MAYBE THE SCRIMMAGE WAS AN OFF DAY 4 HIM .THIS TEAM NO OUR TEAM NEEDS TO PRACTICE HITTING THE LONG RANGE,MID RANGE JUMPERS THE WIDE OPEN LOOKS OR THE EASY MONEY SHOOTS AS WE CALL IT ON THE AAU CIRCUIT.WE NEED TO PLAY TEAM GET BALL TO PLAYERS IN GOOD OPEN SPACE MATCH-UPS REBOUND AS ATEAM EFFORT WE DID PRETTY GOOD AS A TEAM REBOUNDING LAST YEAR .WE NEED ANOTHER BIGMAN TO COMPLIMENT GARIBY MOVE DIEDERICHS TO THE 4 SPOT WHERE HE WILL DO DAMAGE .WE NEED ANOTHER DECENT BIG NO MATTER WHERE WE GET HIM FROM BE IT STRAIGHT FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL RANKS ,STEAL ONE FROM THE JUNIOR COLLEGE RANKS, OR A TRANSFER FROM ANOTHER DIV-1 PROGRAM.WE NEED TO FIX THE #1 PROBLEM OR PRIORITY FIRST OR GIVE IT AGOOD TRY AT LEAST.I SAW THE COMMITMENT OF THIS BOARDS #1 SON WHO HAS NEVER PLAYED A DIV-1 GAME AND SAW THE VIDEO CLIP ALSO >:(OF THE GREAT A.I .WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD 5'8 OR 5'9 GUARD WITH HANDLES & GREAT SPEED. THAT HAD INTEREST OR OFFERS FROM DIV- 1 PROGRAMS AND DECIDED TO COME TO LMU AS A WALK-ON.THE KID FROM CHICAGO KEVIN BARIDINI 8-)LOOKED GOOD IN THE SCRIMMAGE SATURDAY.(IMHO) ;D WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO ARRIZA AND OK AM ;D ;THATS WHAT WE NEED TO CRACK THE UPPER HALF OF THE WCC ;D ;D ;DSEE YOU GUYS NOV THE 4TH OH YEA MY STARTING 5 L.DAVIS- POINT GUARD .V.TEEL-SHOOTING GUARD. D.VINEY-SMALL FORWARD. A.HAMILTON POWERFORWARD.E.GARIBY-CENTER.WOW THATS A LOAD ;D ;D HOLLA BACK ;D

[irishlion]

We actually have a pretty decent size team. Don't know where your stats are coming from but Ashley, Viney and Sweezy are all in the 6'7 to 6'8 range. We may not have any 7 footers, but we are loaded in the upper 6 foot range.

also, Your starting 5 is leaving out JD - which is just not going to happen. Good is blowing him up in every interview and article. No way he doesn't start. And IMHO Tim starts over Edgar. He has the experience and is BBall IQ is more developed at this point. Edgar will get there, but he needs some seasoning before he starts a game.

If everyone is healthy, I have JD, Larry, Vernon, Drew and Tim. This five can score at all five positions, two strong rebounders in Viney and Diedrichs, great ball handling in your two guard spots, and super, super competitive.

[fanblade]

Good discussion but a strong suggestion lmumbballfan, do not write posts in all caps. Please give your caps lock a break. It makes your posts harder to read and it's not good internet etiquette (it is considered yelling).

[LIONS90045]

Interesting opinion irishlion - you suggest a three guard offense to start and I had not considered this.
I agree JD will start and probably Davis at the second guard spot when healthy. Depending on the opponent, Teel could start as well against smaller teams, otherwise, I see Hamilton starting with Tim and Viney.
One caveat, Coach Good may start Young over Hamilton at the beginning of the season based on last year's performance and let Ashley work his way into the starting lineup - which will happen in short order IMHO unless Kevin picks up his offense from what we saw in scrimmage. We should remember Kevin came with an ESPN scouts rating of 67, which is mediocre. He did his job last year out of necessity and performed well but inconsistently on offense. His best skills are rebounding and defense - nothing to scoff about.
In any case, it will be an interesting season! I don't think this team will let us down.
Hopefully, we see more of the players in action on Nov 4 and then we can form a better informed opinion on starters. Would be very happy if Garibay can outperform Tim D. in his first season.
And fanblade - as always - the voice of reason! If only we could see ourselves as others do!

[lmumbbfan]

Well the last time i checked sweezy is listed 6'6 Ashely at 6'7 and viney 6'7 unless they have grown an inch since the scrimmage Saturday .the kid Jared dubious i like him a lot a true QB/pg.But the kid l.Davis has more experience and has a lot of talent shotting,dribbling,dribble drive penetration and he is a tad bit bigger 6'4 190lbs.either one is cool with me i just like Davis a little bit more he has the size the swagger and the game of a point guard ;D.I have seen gariby play a lot and he is ready to start at center 4 our team no doubt.I see you have V.TEEL at the 3 spot in your starting 5 >: .Hot dog teel will not go for that he won't be able to ball hog the ball If the ball is out of his hands more than 3 seconds he will not be a happy young man !!!!Plus his defense is not strong enough to guard at the 3 spot But Davis and j.d switching at the point guard spot will be a hard combo to stop 8-)And v.teel a true s/g switching with that kid armstead is a good combo at s/g.Saturday i was impressed with the way that kid armstead played on defense fought threw picks switched men real good on screens and attacked the rim and was rewarded free throws 4 his reward Remember baynos first 2 picks were Larry Davis and the kid armstead.I would like to hear more opinions on Davis,armstead and gariby

[lmumbbfan]

fanblade thank you 8-)I will chill out on the caps lock and the YELLLLING!!!!! ;D ;D Take care fanblade and GOOOO LMU

[LIONS90045]

lmumbbfan - Nice to hear you have seen Garibay play - I am still waiting to see what he has in action on the court. He seems focused in the one practice I observed but was nursing his bruised heel, and did not participate in scrimmage. I will be cool if he has the skills and maturity to start this year.
Thanks for your comments!
NOTICE NO CAPS LOCK IN MY COMMENTS!!!!!

[lmumbbfan]

Hey!!! Mr.Wrschnicke you are pretty fast on this blog site and i did notice the NO CAPS lock .You seem to be full of info and i respect your opinions. I would like to hear your starting 5 and your take on the kids L.Davis,E.Gariby,and L.Armstead. ;D ;D. take care and reply soon.P.S- fan blade is this a little better blog board etiquette ;D ;D.