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Post by guarddad on Sept 26, 2014 14:19:26 GMT -5
slblion08
I think you may be reading to much into all of this, just because a coach disciplines a ball player, no matter how great he may be, is not a bad thing. And they say you can't believe everything you hear or read in the media. I like the fact that he (coach) takes care of this before it gets out of control. And what I meant about he's different off the court, is there is a time for basketball (in the gym) and a time outside of basketball (social) where he's just a person, not a coach, but a person. He's personable, smart, you can talk to him about life and not just basketball. He's trying to make these ball players into well rounded men. It really does go beyond basketball. Let's just give this team a chance, the coaches a chance. If it doesn't work, then you can say I told you so! As far not being any excitement, I'm not so sure that's true either. Give this process a chance.
GO LIONS!
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Post by waterboy on Sept 26, 2014 14:28:20 GMT -5
Boy, the natives are restless!! We have a new coach, who has demonstrably higher standards than the last few we've had. He is an acknowledged Basketball wiz-kid, with top professional credentials. This may or may not translate into immediate success...but I'm sure liking what I'm seeing from the few plays we've been privy to on this blog. To the teaching, to the pick & roll being run better than anytime I have seen at LMU, to the transmitttal of successful concepts. I too wish we had more news, but lack of news is not a reason to start gnawing off your paws. slb...get over it! Its all new again. We need to stop acting like nanny's.
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Post by guarddad on Sept 26, 2014 16:13:14 GMT -5
Well said Waterboy!
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Post by LIONS90045 on Sept 26, 2014 20:18:08 GMT -5
I'm with guarddad and waterboy and it seems slb, whose heart is in the right place, is rushing to judgement.
Let's give Dunlap time to show what he can deliver.
I do have one concern though about the reported "suspension " of Payne: if it's a "time out" ala modern child rearing, I'm OK. If it extends well into the season (or beyond) owever I'm concerned. I hope it's an example of showing Dunlaps seriousness about the program and building the character of his players.
Only about 6 weeks (or so) to the new basketball season!
Go Lions!
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Post by aussielion on Sept 27, 2014 2:53:20 GMT -5
having only just become a Lion fan nearly every one is getting a bit excited, if you dont do what Mike Dunlap wants you get into trouble which is fair enough even if your the best player or the worst player, sure hes a hard task master so what i think we are going to end up with a team of hard nose players who are going to do what ever it takes to win a game,i think a lot of teams are in for a shock when they play us, if a player wont toe the line get rid of him regardless of how good he is, we need a team of hard nose players not a team of nanny's as Waterboy said
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Post by longtimelionfan on Sept 27, 2014 18:37:40 GMT -5
Toughness and discipline are required to win championships. How many games did Max's talented teams lose because Viney went into a shell after being beaten up or because Teel went 1 on everyone? Toughness and discipline are team wide things. Kids always test limits. Truth be told, I glad an opportunity arose just before the practice season begins to authoritatively deal with an issue involving a high profile player. This should bode well in establishing clear lines for everyone as season begins. Go Lions!
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Post by ALioninWinter on Sept 27, 2014 19:23:08 GMT -5
I totally agree with Longtimefan. In fact, I'll take what he said even further. I talked to Max after a number of games and listened to him express frustration because the guys hadn't executed like he had coached in practice. I believe his problem (at least one of his problems anyway) was that in practice he didn't insist upon strict discipline and adherence to exactly what he was coaching. In practice, he would tell his post players to position themselves for rebounds but not insist upon exact positioning. In running offensive plays and defensive set-ups, "close" would be good enough. He lacked the sense of perfection that makes a real difference at this high level of play.
"Close" isn't good enough. Some players may not like Dunlap's constant harping, sense of discipline and insistence upon perfection during practices. But that insistence will pay huge dividends in game performances and the games won column. Applying that same level of discipline during weight sessions, study periods, etc prepares the guys for what will be coming once daily practices begin. I will also add that that same sense of discipline, once instilled, will serve these guys well all their lives.
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Post by guarddad on Sept 27, 2014 20:04:35 GMT -5
I'm pleasantly surprised at the majority of the guys/ladies on this site do Get It. Discipline is a very good thing. No one is above the team.....In this situation with all of these parts coming together in such a short time, discipline is needed. If none of these men don't want to be a part of this new direction, they can always play elsewhere next year or for that matter this year. There are boys just waiting for the opportunity to have a scholarship and play D1 basketball. They'll play for a coach Dunlap in a heartbeat. Any and everyone CAN be replaced. Let's have fun and let the chips fall where they may.
GO LIONS!
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Post by husky on Oct 13, 2014 17:59:22 GMT -5
Yeah. While I am far from ready to assign "great" or "top notch" status to Coach Dunlap, a coach has to enforce his rules, period. I love Payne but was a little surprised that he was the one not to bug out. Dunlap's reputation, from this board, as a strong "X's an O's" guy on the surface didn't fit with Payne's free wheeling one speed (fast) style. Still really hope they are working it out.
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Post by uncurselmu on Oct 13, 2014 18:04:05 GMT -5
I also think it's worth noting our past experience where we let our locker room slide out of control and waited until games deep into the wcc tournament to suspend Vernon Teel. Small problems can grow if they aren't taken care of. Players see one guy get away with something and that lowers the bar.
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Post by LIONS90045 on Oct 13, 2014 20:15:14 GMT -5
Evan is pictured in Dunlap's practice video so I gather he is with the team and ready to compete for all-WCC honors?
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Post by ALioninWinter on Oct 13, 2014 20:23:27 GMT -5
He had a good sweat worked up. Coach also paid him a nice compliment.
Dunlap will certainly exercise a lot more game control than we saw with Max, however he is also a proponent of fast break opportunities when they present themselves. I'm sure Coach and player have had more than one discussion about the proper time to push the rock.......and I expect to see Evan pick up quite a few fast break points this year.
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Post by lmuballfan on Oct 14, 2014 15:38:00 GMT -5
Not sure If I'm viewing the video correctly. However, it appears Payne is with the "Gray" squad. I think that means he is NOT a starter - Blue equal starters? I believe this kid gutted out last year on a bum knee, played crazy minutes due to all the season ending and game limiting injuries of others, garnered some conference honors, didn't bolt but stayed and worked out for both summer sessions, made the summer honor roll, etc. Under the new coaching regime, he is a "discipline" issue. This will bear watching. Not in the practice so don't know if this is all the player or simply a coach who is not comfortable with a player/more comfortable with another player.
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Post by slblions08 on Oct 16, 2014 23:07:36 GMT -5
Not sure If I'm viewing the video correctly. However, it appears Payne is with the "Gray" squad. I think that means he is NOT a starter - Blue equal starters? I believe this kid gutted out last year on a bum knee, played crazy minutes due to all the season ending and game limiting injuries of others, garnered some conference honors, didn't bolt but stayed and worked out for both summer sessions, made the summer honor roll, etc. Under the new coaching regime, he is a "discipline" issue. This will bear watching. Not in the practice so don't know if this is all the player or simply a coach who is not comfortable with a player/more comfortable with another player. Yes I'm glad someone on this board is realistic. I'm sure if a new boss or supervisor strolled into your workplace and said that you all sucked, hired his own new staff, said its my way or the highway I don't care if you were one of the top employees last year you're demoted, you would all say "sure thing boss you are the man to lead us to the promise land, demote me at your will, no one is above the company." Yeah, right. Sure Evan has only been at LMU a year longer than Dunlap (who is an alum but really a transfer studenet) but he put in maximum effort and played well enough to mask the whole team's faults last year. You kill the guy for doing what his last boss wanted him and trained him to do? You all seem to forget that Dunlap was sitting there after being fired from his last job, watching and waiting for Max Good to be fired and basically taking notes and looking at what he didn't like the whole time and how he'd change it. Basically its like Dunlap has pent up rage from January or whenever he was promised the job. So he comes hard at whoever is left and since Payne, a good kid, decided to dismiss other offers from better programs and wants to stick it out and build something here, he gets the wrath of the new coach. Ridiculous. Have a little class and respect. This is like D'Antoni benching Pau Gasol in his first week. If Dunlap were recruiting Payne as a player theres no way he'd land him now. You guys act like Popovich or Jackson or Riley or Auerbach or Rupp don't develop and cater their stars. They dont want minions and equals. If LMU struggles I hope he blames the whole team and doesnt expect Payne to bail them out late in games. You guys who think that no one is above the team, thats good, but no one is above the university or school community and I just dont like this transition thus far and how its being handled. |
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Post by craft on Oct 17, 2014 2:37:19 GMT -5
First, I want to say that I enjoy reading your comments siblions, giving your opinions and sharing your knowledge on basketball. I resisted in replying to your comment, but couldn't help it.
You mentioned in parenthesis describing Dunlap "who is an alum but really a transfer student" when making your comparison to Payne. That comment was an undertone that LMU students/alums who are transfer students are not as deserving as students/alumni who are not. I took insult to that because I myself am an LMU Alumni, who was a transfer student. A transfer student is no less loyal, deserving, or proud of his or her university than one who goes to this great university straight from high school. I'm probably digressing.
But since I'm writing I'll just comment about your assumptions about Dunlap and Payne. I agree, Payne did an exceptional job at carrying the team last season and deserves the commending and more. But you are assuming that Payne is thrown under the bus by Dunlap from having pent up rage from Jan. And because he's disciplined, that some how is a sufficient condition to Dunlap being classless and disrespectful. Speculating on the board is fun, but making a conclusion based on an assumption that might have no validity is a fallacy. One can also assume that Evan showed up late, and talked back to the coach, hell maybe disrespected or cursed at the coach saying he would make a better one, and that be the cause of his discipline. We just don't know, and as much as we don't want Payne disciplined, we can't throw Dunlap under the bus for that.
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