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Post by lionsroar on May 10, 2014 18:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by uncurselmu on May 10, 2014 19:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by LIONS90045 on May 10, 2014 20:58:30 GMT -5
Another nice recruit - leading scorer and PG for a State Championship JC!
Looks like he is a Freshman and will have 3 years eligibility remaining.
Nice video - he has a good stroke and can drive the hoop plus appears to have a solid body.
There is something fishy about the link to stats - they say he averaged 4.2 minutes per game and scores at a pace of 152 points per 40-minute game.
Other than that, great info here. I could not find a scouting report on ESPN for Hayes in last years class.
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Post by thx4leavinjimlynam on May 10, 2014 23:37:22 GMT -5
Hayes won the state title as a high school senior and then won the JC state title as a high school freshman! Do I see a trend... www.sportstarsonline.com/content/matthew-hayes-pleasant-grove-elk-grove-basketballSanta Rosa JC is the same school that Portland's 3-point ace, Bobby Sharp, attended. SRJC head coach, Craig McMillan, played at the U of A for Lute Olsen in the 1980s with Steve Kerr and Sean Elliott. With Dunlap having coached with Olsen, he probably has a pretty good connection with McMillan. Keep 'em coming, Dunlap and staff! |
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Post by fryer4three on May 11, 2014 13:05:37 GMT -5
So this is what i have updated now as far as positions. Correct me if i am wrong:
PG: Krajkovic, Flint, Hayes
SG: Payne, Hayes, Humphries
SF: Humphries, Egbeyemi, Herman
PF: Herman, Mornar, Wyatt
C: Siame, Okonji, Wyatt
11 Scholarship players.... am i missing someone?
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Post by longtimelionfan on May 11, 2014 13:23:05 GMT -5
Looks like another good find. Pending further news and confirmation of the conjectured Herman signing, I see lots of flexibility and (wait for it) SHOOTERS! What a pleasant surprise. Mindful of therecruitors admonition that Dunlap doesn't know yet who the starters will be and that he will be guided by "best fit" above all (another novel and refreshing idea), I see our roster constructed as follows:
PG: Chase/Simon/Matt Hayes
SG: Evan/David Humphries/Matt Hayes/Chase
SF: Deji/David Humphries
PF: Signee/Mornar/Wyatt/Godwin
C: Patson/Godwin/Signee
Really, almost all the guards and small forwards are interchangeable as our the 4's & 5's. And, Matt Hayes, Evan, David Humphries and the rumored signee all have stats that show them to be legitimate shooters and scorers. Also, to a lesser extent, Simon has shown the ability to be statistically a consistent scorer. With that flexibilty and Dunlap's lauded "Xs & Os" acumen, the Lions offense should be able to present true offensive threats from all over the floor. And, with that and some penetration by Simon, Matt, Evan and Humphries, the offense should generate some easier inside offense from Patson, Godwin, Mornar and Wyatt.
I think legitmate exciting times are ahead!
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Post by slblions08 on May 11, 2014 21:25:22 GMT -5
I did a little bit of research to compare Matthew Hayes (as he's referred to in high school) to some local talent. I noticed that he played against Inglewood High School last season on a neutral floor, and his team won easily 85-60. I happen to know a bit about that team. That Inglewood team was loaded talent-wise and went to play in the state playoffs. Last year's squad was led by Brandon Randolph who went on to Xavier, Randy Onwuasor who went to Texas Tech, and three other DI players. Hayes played exceptionally in that game according to MaxPreps (18points). Based on my vague memory I remember hearing about that team having good guard play, so I'm gonna assume he was one of them.
My only question is why this guy isn't showing up on a bunch of recruiting sites from last year, unless the google stuff is outdated. I can't seem to find a scouting bio on ESPN or Yahoo Rivals. Perhaps because he was not a PG in high school (2 apg) and was used an off-ball scorer. Ditto for JC with only 1 apg. A 6-0 scoring guard probably doesn't garner a ton of interest. My wonder is if he's really going to play PG for Dunlap. On the bright side, it shows him as a 43% shooter from beyond the arc.
I'd say that Simon - Evan - Chase hold on the PG duties in that order, with Evan - Humphries - Hayes holding down the role of scoring guard. In other words, I see Hayes as solid depth unless he learns to distribute the rock to other guys, something he hasn't been used to.
I'd like to learn more about Dunlap's ideas on recruiting. Does he recruit the best player, the best fit, the biggest need, or does he see himself as a molder and creator of players? Is he the type of coach that says "I can turn this scoring guard into a passing guard" or "I can take this big guy and teach him to stretch the floor" etc, etc. I'm interested because he has all of these coaching webpages and that twitter, etc, but haven't read much into his recruiting philosophy.
So far, Verbalcommits (not sure if that site is more than just a reddit type of place) has Hayes has a 2-Star, as well as Humphries. Eurobasket has Krajcovic also at a 2-star and Petr Herman as a 2.5-star. I'm not giddy about these guys as some of you are, but I am at least happy that they are your general LMU-type of talent. Not quite the 3-star Stover, Blackwell, Levin, but I'm willing to give the new guys a Dunlap-factor in that his coaching and focus on the fundamentals will make these guys better than they are. It's obvious that he is looking for players to fit whatever schemes he has in his mind, and he's looking for guys that he can drill repeatedly because they're Euro (and already are used to it) or hungry (JUCO players happy for a scholly). He definitely has his work cut out for him, because right now, based on who is coming back and who is coming in, they look like guys who have never played with a similar teammate before. Dunlap does some like a guy who is very confident in himself and will set lofty goals, so I guess the onus is on him to make it look like something.
I guess I should be excited that in a couple months (since Dunlap has known he'd be the coach since February) the new coach has been able to get respectable talent that on paper will help maintain the status quo. When it comes to end of the season results, I'd be shocked that the team would finish higher than 6th, but anything above last place is an improvement. Gonzaga, St. Mary's, BYU, Santa Clara and Portland all have an advantage of having their core guys playing together for a bit so they'll be tough to beat. I've always thought that good coaching in a conference like the WCC should get you above the cellar and somewhere in the middle of the pack.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 23:41:44 GMT -5
You just hurt your own points about recruiting stars by mentioning that Stover and Blackwell were 3 stars....
I think both prime examples of why we shouldn't put too much onus on the "star" system, especially with Juco kids and International kids who many evaluators havent seen.
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Post by longtimelionfan on May 12, 2014 0:23:41 GMT -5
This whole "star" recruit ranking system is phony baloney. it is all about which AAU coach is scratching whose back. Most every "mid-major" school that makes a mark in the NCAA tourney lacks "four star" recruits. Look at how many of the 60 players drafted annually by the NBA are not "four star" recruits. Look at Damien Lilliard. Mid-major basketball Is about coaching and player development. Stover and CJ, to me, both had gaping holes in their games. Outside of the WCC tournament, Stover was invisible. And, outside of a game at USF and against UCLA, CJ was inconsistent, moody and a defensive liability.
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Post by slblions08 on May 12, 2014 2:05:39 GMT -5
This whole "star" recruit ranking system is phony baloney. it is all about which AAU coach is scratching whose back. Most every "mid-major" school that makes a mark in the NCAA tourney lacks "four star" recruits. Look at how many of the 60 players drafted annually by the NBA are not "four star" recruits. Look at Damien Lilliard. Mid-major basketball Is about coaching and player development. Stover and CJ, to me, both had gaping holes in their games. Outside of the WCC tournament, Stover was invisible. And, outside of a game at USF and against UCLA, CJ was inconsistent, moody and a defensive liability. Err...I think you have the logic wrong. Not all 4-star recruits go on the to the NBA, but on the majority, most NBA draft picks were highly regarded players in high school that were narrowed down to the best of the best and then were drafted into the NBA. You obviously know that Damian Lillard is not the rule, its the exception. However, the Damian Lillard story is not the big shocker that the mainstream media has created. He was of course, described as a 2-star recruit, however he was highly sought by many schools and chose Weber State. If he had chosen to go to San Diego State, St. Mary's, Witchita State or Fresno State, nobody would be saying anything as noted here: sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Damian-Lillard-71279He was also declared as "one of the best guards on the West coast" during his recruitment. Hardly "under the radar". 12 scholarship offers is not bad. Since you brought it up, there's something I've been reading, it talks about loaded draft classes in the past. Rivals posts the top 150 players in the nation each year 2008 Derrick Rose James Harden Blake Griffin Kevin Love Eric Gordon Chandler Parsons DeAndre Jordan J.J. Hickson Jeff Teague O.J. Mayo Evan Turner Kosta Koufos Jerryd Bayless DeJuan Blair Patrick Patterson Michael Beasley Anthony Randolph James Johnson Cole Aldridge Robert Sacre 2006 Kevin Durant Russell Westbrook Stephen Curry Brook Lopez Mike Conley Jr. Ty Lawson Taj Gibson Thaddeus Young Ryan Anderson Spencer Hawes Grevis Vasquez Gerald Henderson Robin Lopez Jodie Meeks Jordan Hill Chase Buddinger Patrick Beverly Brandan Wright Trevor Booker D.J. Augustin 2004 Dwight Howard Joakim Noah LaMarcus Aldridge Rajon Rondo Al Horford Roy Hibbert Josh Smith Rudy Gay Al Jefferson Kyle Lowry Aaron Afflalo Jeff Green Nick Young J.R. Smith Glen Davis Jordan Farmar Corey Brewer Marvin Williams Dorrell Wright Shaun Livingston Those aren't the ranked lists of the best players, but all of those guys were included within those top 150 players lists. The guys I posted were just those of which made it to the NBA and actually were a factor in the league, not just second round picks or only made it on a 10-day contract. there are way more in each high school class that went on to be notable people in college, but they just didnt get drafted. But, really, its not like the NBA draft is full of 2-star guys. Of course, not impossible, but these ratings are not ALL phoney baloney. If that was the case, then these people wouldnt have a job. Of course, there is politicking to any kind of rating system. And the last point, since I'm gonna drop it and just wait and see until the season starts to jump for joy, if Stover, and CJ were never that good (nevermind that CJ was LA player of the Year, and Stover a big time player in LA also) then, why was Good fired? If they sucked, Good should never have been fired. Plain and simple. I've been under the impression and argument that Good was fired because he recruited talent but did nothing with it. And the talent that Bill Bayno recruited under-performed based on the talent. However, if CJ and Nick and Gabe etc were not good players to begin with, then honestly Good should've been brought back. Personally, I think the guys were talented, but Good ruined their confidence and did not develop them, kind of like what Drew's mom, Jared's dad, Kevin's mom said. Those "holes" in their games were coaching driven. |
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Post by longtimelionfan on May 12, 2014 9:18:34 GMT -5
SLB,
First, I never said anything about Gabe being a bad player. I never even mentioned him in the "stars" post. Next, I think the last paragraph of your statement makes ghost's and my point, the "stars" rating system is highly overrated. I remember that Stover was a 3 star and that CJ was LA City Co-Player of the Year. But, each had fairly evident flaws in their games. I stand by what I said. Stover last year became a good defensive player but, with the notable exception of the WCC tournament, his offensive game was consistently bad. And, CJ was electric against UCLA and once against USF on the road but otherwise lost on defense and highly inconsistent on offense. My point, is each of them never really played to their "star" rating as prep recruits.
While the sport is different - football - the prep rating agencies and star system are the same. I've cut and pasted Jon Wilner's blog item from the San Jose Mercury News. He better states the point I was trying to make and I think that ghost was too.
In the Hotline’s never-ending quest to lend context to the recruiting process, here are the first-round picks and the number of recruiting ‘stars’ that were assigned to each. (I’m using Scout’s rankings but could just have easily have selected Rivals.)
I’m not suggesting, and never have, that the star system is irrelevant. It provides a broad indication of potential: A 5-star player is more likely to become a first round pick than a 3-star player.
The point here, and always, is that the stars aren’t everything — just as the RPI in the college basketball selection process isn’t everything and the 40-yard dash in the draft evaluation process isn’t everything.
The system’s accuracy as a predictor of future success, either for the players or the teams, doesn’t match the be-all-and-end-all attention it receives on National Signing Day.
You’ll note below that there were more 2-star prospects selected Thursday than 5-star prospects.
Average of the top 10: 3.60 stars
Average of the first round: 3.46 stars
Total 5 star prospects in the first round: 5
Total 4 star prospects in the first round: 11
Total 3 star prospects in the first round: 10
Total 2 star prospects in the first round: 6
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Post by guarddad on May 25, 2014 10:35:58 GMT -5
Matt Hayes
Played for Pleasant Grove HS (Elk Grove, CA) Div I State Champions 2012-2013
All Metro;
San Joaquin First Team;
Delta River League First Team
State Champion
Played for Coach Craig McMillan of Santa Rosa JC State Champions 2013-2014
Big 8 Conference Player of the Year
Leading Scorer for Santa Rosa JC
MVP for Santa Rosa
Northern California All First Team
State Champion
The one intangible here? He's a winner.
Matt Hayes had a lot of interest in his senior year, but was not a qualifier coming out of high school. He's one of those guys who slipped through the cracks. You can go on CCCAA.org to get information on him (stats). A very good player, not a superstar, not one of your sexy players you know a big guard 6'-1" or 6'-2" 180 - 200 lbs or your 6'-4" -6'-6" guard/wing. But he is smart, very good basketball I.Q., solid fundamentally, not a Diva, unselfish (to a fault sometimes), a team player, a fierce competitor. If he's not scoring, he's does other things i.e. rebounding, defending, whatever it takes to win. He'll do whatever to help this team/school bet better. Anything above last place has to be better right? He's one of thousands of kids who get looked over because his dad doesn't know this dad who's a assistant on this team or AAU or whatever. The politics is smothering. Above all of the basketball discussion, he's going to get a great education, if he goes any further, that degree he'll get is Life! Let's give this coaching staff and team a chance before we tear them down. Yes, we lost some very very nice players, we have to move forward and build this team up.
GO LIONS!
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Post by LIONS90045 on May 25, 2014 14:20:51 GMT -5
Welcome guarddad - I agree 100%.
That was my observation that Matt and the other recruits were winners as are the coaches hired by Dunlap.
There are only a few who are leaning negative on Dunlap but most expect the best this season.
I think we'll surprise a lot of folks.
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