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Post by ironlion on Mar 18, 2015 20:20:13 GMT -5
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Post by LIONS90045 on Mar 18, 2015 20:36:40 GMT -5
I like the author's tongue in cheek style - he's quite frank and accurate.
Don't like Dunlap's diplomacy or lack thereof in describing his team and players. Like Winter and others, I'm hoping he knows something we don't. Maybe he should read an Andrew Carnegie book or something.
As for Payne, I think the views of the board are clear as were those of the author of the article. Who does Dunlap think is a "good player?" Kobe Bryant? Not many of them around for mid-major schools.
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Post by LIONS90045 on Mar 18, 2015 20:37:45 GMT -5
Also, there is the reference in the article intro to the "Matt Hayes release" rumor, confirmed false for now.
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Post by LIONS90045 on Mar 18, 2015 20:42:01 GMT -5
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Post by husky on Mar 18, 2015 21:05:17 GMT -5
You warned us Ironlion but I went ahead and read it anyway; depressing. Confirms CMD's sour grapes where Payne is concerned as well as his overall pettiness. While it very good news that Matt is sticking around it looks like his chances to ever compete for WCC honors may not exist. As for CMD's vaunted emphasis on citizenship and academics, has anyone heard just exactly when either has been a problem? And when exactly did good behavior and good grades become mutually exclusive from good basketball? Then there's the "responsibility" thing again; exactly who is he implying has been responsible for our piss poor record? Humm, certainly not the coaching must have been a combination of Evan Payne, Max Good, George Bush(?).
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Post by vadlion on Mar 19, 2015 10:31:12 GMT -5
CMD sounds very petty in his quotes. I can't believe a head coach at a major university would call out a player that way. Any recruits or current players can't trust a coach like that. Its unbelievable. Lost a lot of respect for Dunlap after reading this.
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Post by thx4leavinjimlynam on Mar 19, 2015 11:40:22 GMT -5
The academic comment by Dunlap (in the first article posted on this link) is unfair for multiple reasons.
LMU had two WCC All-Academic players this past season: Deji and Flint, who were signed by Max, who graduated every player that finished his playing career at LMU.
If academics were an issue with some players ( which is possible) you cannot say it is a cultural issue based off the facts listed above. You cannot paint a broad brush like that.
And Dunlap is not doing his own recruits any favors. It is a big adjustment coming from a JC (or another country) to a fine academic institution like LMU, but if he doesn't have multiple players on the WCC academic team next year, it won't look good for his "cultural change".
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Post by golions1444 on Mar 19, 2015 12:03:31 GMT -5
"But can we be good at basketball while staying true to the University’s morals and its standards for student-athletes? Probably not. It’s almost unprecedented in the NCAA. But if we were going to try, how would we do it?"
There are plenty of good programs who have had lots of success on the court and run a clean program off the court, it's very far from unprecedented.
Also we lost to Gonzaga at the buzzer in the WCC championship in 2006 not 2013.
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Post by waterboy on Mar 19, 2015 12:15:35 GMT -5
I STRONGLY disagree with anyone who assert that Payne was a top player. He was not! His best role came from off the bench where is selfish style of play was tempered. Anyone here rembember Paynes twin brother who played at LMU? His name was Vernon Teal. Both are in the same mode...excellent one on one jungle ball players, both destructive to team play. Payne will get picked up by another program no doubt, just like Vernon would if he had left. But all that means is he is now that teams problem. Evan is at most a role player, for quick offense only, and then get him out of their so the TEAM can win the game. But as we saw time and time again this season, the Team around Evan shrinks when he is playing.
Face it guys, we had (have) a team full of poor to mediocre players. Payne was on the mediocre side of things, and that is why we did not win this season. So get over it. I like Dunlaps ability to resond to his mistakes. He's cleaning out what needs to be clean out, with precision and surgical efficiency. Sorry that hurts your feelings, if it does. But we need D-1 players NOW, not after 2-4 years of allowing poor to mediocre players dominate our roster. And that starts by letting the chaff go. My only concern is whether CMD can recruit top players. And given the horrible record LMU has had for 20 years we better temper our expectations. But if he does come through I would like to see several you go and reverently kiss his assssss! And be warned, landing Tutu, the Top player in Canada, indicates you may have to practice wearing lipstick.
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Post by husky on Mar 19, 2015 12:48:21 GMT -5
"He's cleaning out what needs to be clean out, with precision and surgical efficiency" aw come on now. It's more like "I quit" says the player; "you can't quit, your fired" says the coach. You seriously think all these players didn't leave of their own volition? And why do you suppose Dunlap might possible have problems attracting "Div 1" players? It wouldn't be because top players may not be interested in playing for an egotistical little prick who blames his players for team failures?
Ah, but still I am fickle and if we can win half of our Division I games next season, I will kiss his ass (as long as I don't have to wear lipstick).
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Post by lioneyes on Mar 19, 2015 14:31:59 GMT -5
Waterboy, I see where you got your name because you OBVIOUSLY never played the game. If you do not realize the athletic ability, natural scoring skills,and leadership qualities of an Evan Payne, you know NOTHING! I agree with Husky, Dunflop did not "clean house", the players cleaned the coaches house. Little Napoleon drove them off.
Any coach worth his salt will NEVER blame his players for a miserable season. The BUCK stops at the TOP. A coach who blames his players for his failures is a looser!
DUMP DUNLAP!!!
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Post by onendone on Mar 19, 2015 15:11:56 GMT -5
Will be interesting to hear the kids share their experience on how Dunlap treats players and coaches. Of course both groups are fearfull of additional retaliation. It's clear his ego and pride exceed his humanity. Good thing LMU. Is not a Jesuit school
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Post by waterboy on Mar 19, 2015 15:36:48 GMT -5
Lioneyes, I stand on what I said. Payne is a role player at best. Any team who lets him start will look like a Pere Maravich team, 'Oohs and Awws!' at trick pony plays, while the team loses. Exhibit 1 is this season, and the crumbling of the team when Payne started. We actually started winning with him off the bench. But what do I know, I'm only the waterboy.
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Post by loyalion on Mar 19, 2015 15:52:40 GMT -5
Waterboy--- are you on something?
What games were you watching that made you think this team was better without Payne?
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Post by waterboy on Mar 19, 2015 15:55:00 GMT -5
Loyalion, I never said this team was better without Payne, I said this team lousy, including Payne.
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