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Post by aussielion on Jan 9, 2016 21:07:15 GMT -5
any one know whats hap to Matt hes probably the best shot on the team and we rarely see him play.......
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Post by LIONS90045 on Jan 9, 2016 21:40:39 GMT -5
Not sure Matt fits in Dunlap's scheme.
Perhaps he hasn't had minutes to show his wares but it seems he has shied away from the basket when handling the ball. Would like to see more aggression towards the hoop if he gets another chance. Otherwise ...
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Post by lmu2015 on Jan 9, 2016 21:40:45 GMT -5
I thought they played well on defense, just like they played well on D vs st Mary's. Today, they missed way too many bunnies and open threes. Don't understand how people can say Dunlap got out coached... They made shots and we didn't, and we had plenty of opportunities. Can't blame the coach for missing open shots. But, we have consistently been outplayed in the last minute of close games which I will put on Dunlap. And as for the timeout at the end of the game, it has to come from a player. Coaches can't call timeouts from the sideline while play is live. Lastly, if you don't see on offensive scheme out there you are blind to basketball. It's all a motion offense where the players need to make reads, it's perfect for this level but it is really difficult to pick up. Dunlap needs to mix in more quick hitting plays when the offense stalls to get the players backing going again.
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Post by vadlion on Jan 9, 2016 21:54:32 GMT -5
I would the agree the Lions played good defense today. They cannot score the ball. Missed many open 3s and layups. They were making some of those shots early in the season. It also looks like players are afraid to shoot. (except Haney) Spiers, TuTu, Tuach and Mornor are not being aggressive to take a shot. If Jacko does not get in foul trouble I think this is a different game.
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Post by aussielion on Jan 9, 2016 21:59:47 GMT -5
King of the Jungle what scheme would that be its hard to be aggresive when your only on for a min or two every other game,im dead set sure he wouldnt miss 9 shots in a row hey as i said the other day what would i know im just another Aussie,but i would like to see him out there
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Post by LIONS90045 on Jan 9, 2016 22:28:33 GMT -5
Aussie - you have a good point and I tried to make it earlier when I commented on Dunlap's inconsistent use of his players - excepting a few of his favorites, which include Haney. I have no argument with you.
I'm glad David is back in the "good" list (at least for now). Someday you'll have to write a "tell all" bio on David's disappearance for a spell.
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Post by slblions08 on Jan 10, 2016 0:03:06 GMT -5
We played atrociously the past 2 games. Dunlap normally gives an underperforming player the hook quickly but not Haney; he kept going back to a dry well tonight even when others were playing well or were relatively untested. on defense repeatedly after Pacific barely made it across the 10 second line then inexplicably picked up their dribble near the sideline just over half court; what did we do(?), well we backed off, allowing them time to organize their offense. I don't know of anything was exposed here but Dunlap was clearly and badly out coached this week, especially tonight. Never heard of the Pacific coach but he certainly got the best out of his young, almost coltish , and relatively uncoordinated kids. We are now comfortably ensconced in what is becoming our usual spot as dead last in the WCC. We will have a chance to perhaps drag another hapless team down to keep us company in the cellar next Saturday when we face Santa Clara who has a coach that tends to be a legend in his own mind". I don't expect we will do at all well against San Francisco Thursday unless we experience a serious turn around. Can't pull out Haney when you have a bromance with the kids father who just helped you land a 4 star recruit the only kid who can save your reputation . Haney has the look of the guy who can do whatever he wants jack up a bunch of shots because dad is in bed with coach . Very common in high school or AAU
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Post by waterboy on Jan 10, 2016 1:49:03 GMT -5
I have to lay the last 3 game losses on poor offense. We look horrible. Haney has been heinous. And those who think Brown is a good point guard need to go back to basketball school. We are losing presicely because of poor point work. Brown does not know how to pick and roll. He consistently dribbles beyond the pick, preventing us from running the offense, as the defenders never get picked off. Therefore, we do not get the penetration our sets are designed for. We bounce the ball beyond the arc for 34 seconds then panic. Just watch. This prevents our 3 shooters from getting open shots, as the defense is never collasped. The whole thing is a mess. The lack of intent by the team to score is amazing. When we do have open shots, the players don't even look at the basket. Coach Mike has got to see this. I hope to see him adjust on that quickly fom here on out. The final play was completely on Brown. It was his misjudgement of the defense, AGAIN, and his failure to even look for the outlet shot when he got himself in trouble with the trees, AGAIN. He hasn't figured out how to deal with the height, speed and quickness of D-1 Forwards and Centers, yet. Welcome to D-1, Brown! Humpheries scored well, but also fell asleep too many times and had several miscues that result in 4-5 point turn-arounds. He'd lose the 2, and they make 2 or 3. Or, he'd score 2 then not get back on defense because of inattention, and they would score neutralisizing his offense. He needs to to be alert 100% of the game, not in spurts. We need Spiers to get his confidence up. Especially since he is our only 3 point option now. He too had too many open shots he passed up. His shot is beautiful. But he seems to be in panic each time he shoots, if he shoots. Jacko continues to be the only D-1 Player we have on the team. Herman is showing improvement. We should have won. Our point guards are just not leading the team right now. This is looking alot like last year. A lack of leadership. We need to continue to recruit for a really good point guard...like St. Mary's. That guy really ran the pick and roll, and the rest of the offense, to perfection.
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Post by t on Jan 10, 2016 3:10:11 GMT -5
And as for the timeout at the end of the game, it has to come from a player. Coaches can't call timeouts from the sideline while play is live. . Although the new this season timeout rule stipulates coaches can only call timeouts during a dead ball lull and that the players must call the timeouts during live action it does not preclude the coach from gesticulating from the sideline coach’s rectangle, like a wavy inflatable tube man/woman trying to attract attention to that bootleg muffler shop on the corner, or by some other grand gesture, to signify to a player to call timeout. Nor does it prohibit the coach with 36 seconds left, during a timeout called by the opposing team, to discuss with the Lions, not like a wavy inflatable tube man trying to attract attention to that bootleg muffler shop on the corner, what course of action to take in relation to calling a timeout or not calling a timeout, of course taking into consideration how much time is left, when they do regain possession of the precious ball. Which in this scenario was 19 seconds; a plethora of time for Dunlap to have changed his strategy and with a flamenco flourish notify Brandon Brown to call that damn timeout at, say, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11 or even 10 seconds, if during the aforementioned timeout he instructed his five to eschew the timeout under any circumstance, which seems to have been the reality. A timeout wasn’t called because Dunlap didn’t want a timeout not because he was hindered by the unseen hand of the NCAA new rules subgod, not necessarily a bad decision by Dunlap just the wrong decision. Jan 9, 2016 18:06:35 GMT -8 husky said: "We are now comfortably ensconced in what is becoming our usual spot as dead last in the WCC. We will have a chance to perhaps drag another hapless team down to keep us company in the cellar... " Yes hopefully the Lions can drag The Sea World Bullfighters to a last place hell with them - Although in regards to last place finishes “becoming…usual” isn’t quite accurate because that suggests a change from not usually finishing last to usually finishing in last. In the 60 years (including this one) the lions have been a member of the WCC/WCAC they have finished in last, solitarily and accompanied, 25 times. That’s twice as many, plus one, times as the next most last place finishes by a team (Pepperdine). The Lions have finished last as Loyola/LMU an astounding 41.6 percent of the time! That’s our basketball heritage, embrace it, or just give it a quick hug if you are squeamish! wcc-platform-secure-prod.silverchalice.co/v3/files/564634fce4b0bbcaed03a63d
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Post by lmulionsroar on Jan 10, 2016 11:31:34 GMT -5
A bit of background information on Pacific. Earlier in the season head coach Ron Verlin and an assistant were suspended pending a NCAA investigation. Mike BURNS, a former assistant at San Diego has been serving as the interim head coach. They are only down to six or seven scholarship players.
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Post by thx4leavinjimlynam on Jan 10, 2016 13:22:51 GMT -5
There are so many things to talk about: lack of a timeout being called substitution pattern end of game breakdown
For right now, I just want to touch on Jacko. He HAS to stay out of foul trouble. It is unfair to put so much pressure on him, but he MUST make better decisions.
In 11 of the 16 games he has finished with 4 or 5 fouls. Here is a breakdown for the 11 games with 4 or 5 fouls and the 5 games with 3 or fewer fouls:
4 or more fouls: 12.0 ppg, 55-118 FG (46.6%), 23.2 minutes per game, 5-6 record 3 or fewer fouls: 19.2 ppg, 40-60 FG (66.7%), 36 minutes per game, 2-3 record
One of the 4-plus foul games was against Antelope Valley, so we are 4-6 against Division I opponents when he is in foul trouble.
Bottom line, it is great that he looks like an all-conference player when he plays big minutes against St. Mary's and Pepperdine, but when he plays 24 minutes against Portland and 16 against Pacific, it is not enough. We need Jacko on the floor against the bottom-portion of the league to have a chance to win those games.
Go Lions!
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Post by pumpfake on Jan 10, 2016 13:52:39 GMT -5
A couple thoughts: Brandon Brown kept us in the game down the strech by flat out making plays. He plays with a lot of heart. That said, he's small and really has to work very hard for everything he gets. He also isn't in the floor-general point guard mold. He can break down defenses with his quickness but his play from the point is more helter skelter than, say, AI who really ran the show and was also a threat to pop a 3 at any time even if closely guarded. With Brown, defenses don't have to worry too much about his outside shot. They can focus on badgering Haney who clearly is rushing to get his shot off against D which overplays him since he is one of our few legit outside weapons. Tutu brings a "take charge" approach to the point on offense and defense but his outside shot isn't there and he can't drive and make plays like Brown (yet). When thinking about holes to fill on this squad, I think you could make a case that we could recruit another point guard. If Brown or Tutu gets hurt. Yikes. Buay Tuach played a nice game. I think he's going to get better and better. Petr Herman still frustrates but I see glimpes that he is slowly improving. He just needs to slow down when he gets the ball on the post. He has the size and strength to finish his moves without rushing. Mornar needs to shoot and play more. He has a nice stroke and should be good for 3 threes a game. Finally, nice to see Humphries have a nice game. You have to credit him for getting as much out of his physical tools as anyone on the team. Considering that he is undersized AND slow, he contributes. Good on ya, mate!
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Post by slblions08 on Jan 10, 2016 15:16:23 GMT -5
I have to lay the last 3 game losses on poor offense. We look horrible. Haney has been heinous. And those who think Brown is a good point guard need to go back to basketball school. We are losing presicely because of poor point work. Brown does not know how to pick and roll. He consistently dribbles beyond the pick, preventing us from running the offense, as the defenders never get picked off. Therefore, we do not get the penetration our sets are designed for. We bounce the ball beyond the arc for 34 seconds then panic. Just watch. This prevents our 3 shooters from getting open shots, as the defense is never collasped. The whole thing is a mess. The lack of intent by the team to score is amazing. When we do have open shots, the players don't even look at the basket. Coach Mike has got to see this. I hope to see him adjust on that quickly fom here on out. The final play was completely on Brown. It was his misjudgement of the defense, AGAIN, and his failure to even look for the outlet shot when he got himself in trouble with the trees, AGAIN. He hasn't figured out how to deal with the height, speed and quickness of D-1 Forwards and Centers, yet. Welcome to D-1, Brown! Humpheries scored well, but also fell asleep too many times and had several miscues that result in 4-5 point turn-arounds. He'd lose the 2, and they make 2 or 3. Or, he'd score 2 then not get back on defense because of inattention, and they would score neutralisizing his offense. He needs to to be alert 100% of the game, not in spurts. We need Spiers to get his confidence up. Especially since he is our only 3 point option now. He too had too many open shots he passed up. His shot is beautiful. But he seems to be in panic each time he shoots, if he shoots. Jacko continues to be the only D-1 Player we have on the team. Herman is showing improvement. We should have won. Our point guards are just not leading the team right now. This is looking alot like last year. A lack of leadership. We need to continue to recruit for a really good point guard...like St. Mary's. That guy really ran the pick and roll, and the rest of the offense, to perfection. I actually think that Munis Tutu can be a good point guard. He's fast enough to turn the corner and he has the handles. He is just not being given any direction by the coach in terms of game management or any structure. All Dunlap has implemented scheme wise on offense is that the offense comes off the defense. Sounds like great talking points, but not every possession can be a fast break or a Haney Hail Mary 3. When Haney doesnt jack up a shot, it becomes the Brandon Brown dribble into traffic and toss up a wild shot. Rarely do we see any kind of offensive organization. Regarding Brown, he's basically an Evan Payne replacement because Dunlap knows that after shipping out Evan he still needs a guy who can improvise and get a bucket. I think Brown is talented but undersized to be scoring in the paint like he could probably get away with as a JUCO. Brown is simply not really a PG as his instincts are to score first. He is best suited as a 6th man scoring guard. If he we were to make a Lakers comparison, he's basically Jordan Clarkson. In terms of defense, I see that he likes a lot of one on one defense and for guys to hold their spots on the floor. I'll deal with it, but once again we are not able to stop a 3 point shooter. I'll give Dunlap credit in that he has successfully recruited a team that fits a bunch of roles that he probably likes. This team is structured a lot like the Charles Brown, Wes Wardrop, Daryl Pegrarm, Matt Knight, Dustin Brown, young Brandon Worthy team. I think that was 2004. Except its like a bootleg version since our shooter cant shoot, our post guy is always out with foul trouble and our floor general lacks composure. And while Aggers certainly had his faults, he could draw up plays for specific players when he needed to. Somehow he was always able to get Wes open for a 3 and Matt isolated on the elbow. Haney can hit an open shot when he has all day to shoot, but simply can't get a shot up when he is rushed or faces lengthy defenders, which is the modern day WCC. And his is pretty bad on defense, he is always trailing his man up the floor in transition. if you want to keep Haney to spread the floor, then he has to play with Tutu the only guy who can drive it in the paint as a threat. Brown doesnt cause enough spacing because the defense knows he cant live down there among the trees. I honestly think that Dunlap underestimated the WCC. He watched from afar and in big conferences an the NBA and thought he was going to come in and be the savior and a little mid major conference. He grabbed all these random internationals and transfers and thought he'd be able to match up player for player and that by simply telling them to hustle, rebound, not turn it over and play defense that it would be good enough coaching to succeed. Turns out the WCC is much better, so you need skilled players who are also athletic. You also need to implement a system and you need to practice this system. The WCC is a good conference and Dunlap needs to elevate himself before anything else.
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Post by lmu2015 on Jan 10, 2016 15:51:23 GMT -5
It seems like everyone else has taken their games to another level in conference play and we haven't. The first 7-10 games of the season it was very easy to see that there were improvements from game to game, I don't think we've gotten better since conference has started.
As for brown not being a shooter, he shot 6-7 threes per game at over 40% in JUCO. Obviously haven't seen signs of that this year, but he should be a threat if left open, maybe just needs more time to adjust that part of his game to D1 level.
We have consistently shot a FG% in the mid 30s yet found a way to stay close in games which is actually incredible, our team FG% has to be in the bottom 20% of the country. USF has been putting up big numbers on offense, we will likely have to put up at least 70 to beat them, hopefully brown and tutu can bother Watson with their quickness.
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Post by thx4leavinjimlynam on Jan 10, 2016 17:47:44 GMT -5
We have not won a game this year in which we scored 70 points or fewer, so you are correct lmu2015...70 is the magic number:
71-plus: record 7-1 70-less: record 0-8
In 11 non-conference games we averaged 74.5 points per game and shot 42.1% FG In 5 conference games we are averaging 58.6 points per game and shot 37.4% FG
Part of this, I think, is a team having peaks and valleys during the season.
However, to slblions08 point, conference games, in general, are tougher and lower scoring because the teams are familiar with each other, play twice a year, have the summer to review tendencies, etc. So, yes, teams are scheming to stop us, and we have yet to make the adjustments.
The other interesting note is:
In 11 non-conference games we averaged 71.4 possessions per game In five conference games we averaged 66.6 possessions per game
With teams being more methodical, we are losing five possessions per game. To combat this, I think McClendon and Tutu need more time, and we need to play more of the full-court/three-quarters court pressure defense. It forces turnovers, or at the very least forces a team to not get into its offense until there are 15-16 seconds left on the shot clock, and would speed up the game.
That said, we are two "game-finishing" plays away from possibly being 2-3 in conference (at Pep, Pacific). And if we score at least 71, we should win.
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