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Post by lmuhistorian on Apr 15, 2008 4:23:04 GMT -5
PG- No walk on starters please. SG- 45% 3pt shooter would be great. Scratch that we need a slasher ;D SF- It depends if he stays or not, I'll wait on this one. PF- Big Timmay D. C - Someone who could just rebound, block a few shots and hold Shrek from SCU to under 15. That would be perfect. This should get us to .500 first year. Then again with "not having one true D1 player to begin with" its going to make replacing old players with new ones easier to deal with. Now how do we get rid of these guys without hurting feelings.  Bayno has already started getting the wheels churning. The boys are back in town. I am getting 4 sets of season tickets. |
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Post by newlionfan on Apr 15, 2008 5:12:42 GMT -5
Kwame will start
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Post by ironlions on Apr 15, 2008 10:27:03 GMT -5
I think we got a steal in Kwame. I can't wait for him to start summer school and be a big part of the rebuilding process.
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Post by newlionfan on Apr 15, 2008 23:35:36 GMT -5
Hopefully you guys don't get annoyed of my bias towards Kwame, but I'm very confident in his ability. I haven't seen a kid that has his ability, but does not care how well he does or what accolades he has received, only what he can do to get better.
I can't wait until the first game.
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Post by aacoach on Apr 17, 2008 9:55:22 GMT -5
1st, let me start off by saying I stood back and took a look at whats been written on this board and asked a lot of question around the WCC and country about the program. The overall response is LMU has caved in and I see a program that had loyalty fading and fading fast. I'm not a fan of whats happening at LMU right now and I also think in the future some of you are going to feel the same way. I see huge issues in character. I would hope an AD and Coach would be honest now to players and recruits. Don't sugar coat what your master plan is, show it. Money doesn't always win and it could turn in to something that is a bigger embarrasment than losing.
I have to say good luck to the Vaughns, Wrights, Walker, Tim, OJ, Sutton, Sweezy, Craig, Deadwiler, Jenkins, Derik and any other player I may have left off because I don't think any one of these players will get a chance to compete for what they brought to LMU and thats just the facts the way I hear them. I'm not a beat writer so I can rely on my sources.
I really think this is going to be tough for these guys and not in the area of competing but in the area of the truth and when it's told to them.
I as an AD if I had a master plan would have told each of these players early in the game so they could make good solid choices about what they want to do going forward but I think that won't happen for another week or two.
Good luck to the Pump Brothers of LMU because I think all of you just got sold a bag of bad goods. Lip service and NBA crap is meaningless if it comes at the cost of the Integrity of an Institution.
You should look for High Character guys that can play and Coach and from what I'm told I'm not sure if its there but I will wait to make final judgement. At this point this is how I see things.
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Post by ironlions on Apr 17, 2008 11:29:30 GMT -5
AA coach,
LMU is a division one program, in one of the most competitive conferences in the county. Therefore it must have D1 level players on its team, something, with a few exceptions, it did not have last year. Even a person with modicum knowledge of basketball would expect changes on our roster. In regards of honesty about the future of the current players, I do hope Coach Bayno is clear and forthright. I also hope all the players are honest to themselves and understand that changes are going to occur. Take for example the 2 win team Aggers took over. Only 4 of 12 players on the previous roster were kept.
I take offense you our comments about loyalty and character. Don’t come on this board and make statements about us caving in and our loyalty fading fast. I don’t know who you have talked to but this is simply untrue. I haven’t heard the fans and alumni so excited about or program in a long time. Everyone I have talked to regarding LMU basketball is ecstatic about the direction of our program. It is true that Bayno has some issues in the past, but that was 10 years ago. If people like Coach K of Duke, are willing stand up and compliment Coach Bayno I certainly think he deserved a chance at LMU. LMU has run sterling program with incredible graduation rate, and will continue to do so.
It’s easy to see that you have a close relationship to one of these players on the team. But kindly don’t come on this board and spout off. If you are unhappy about our program leave this board and take your player out of the program as well.
Regarding our comments about the Pump Brothers…guess who brought us Coach Tention.
Go Lions!
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Post by zagsfanforlife on Apr 17, 2008 12:12:49 GMT -5
very, very, very good post ironlions......
If aacoach does not think that changes need to be made in terms of the personnel on this team, he has not viewed many games. Off the top of my head I can think of 2 maybe three players on last years team that have division one talent. In terms of being honest with the players, I believe Bayno will do what he has said he is going to do. He is going to give them each his workout program, go through individual and team practice workouts with them, and whoever he feels can compete to win ball games for LMU next year, will be kept. If you cant cut it, he has the right to release the player. This is not AYSO or YMCA basketball. This is Division 1 Mens Basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2008 12:59:46 GMT -5
No idea what anyone is talking about but is it possible to reload the entire team this late in the signing season?  |
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Post by lionspride on Apr 17, 2008 13:10:54 GMT -5
I give praise to ironlions for that perfectly said response to "aacoach." The wine that "aacoach" spills is sour grapes. Coach Bayno, like the vast majority of coaches in any division of college basketball, purpose (defined by the administration who hired him) was to educate and delevelop student athletes and win championships. A reasonable person looking at our current roster, viewing the stats from prior year, and personally observing our games last season could not deny it would be nearly impossible to accomplish one of those goals - win championships. To accomplish that goal, there needs to be change to the roster. At the same time, change to the current roster will effectively educate and develop these student-athletes for the better. Whether the players EARN a spot on the roster or asked to leave, these are life lessons. Sure they are hard lessons, but the world's society has to deal with challenges all the time...inside and outside of an arena. We all have "sources." You have your sources that you cannot reveal because you are not a beat writer. I have sources.....direct from Coach Bayno's mouth. Coach Bayno's words in the Founder's Room with Bill Husak noding his head in agreement on April 9, 2008 were words that WILL change our program. April 9 is a watershed day for LMU Men's Basketball. Coach Bayno will have challenging and difficult conversations (life lessons for Bayno as well) with certain individuals that do not perform up to LMU expectations for a division I student athlete. Make no mistake. Changes are coming. Bayno is on the recruiting trail because that is #1 priority. Until he secures the talent that he wants, those difficult conversations will not occur. Call it what you want. That is strategy. You don't let go of personnel in the business world until you have a plan in place. The "truth" as you put it will be told to the student athletes. And those student athletes will have to accept it and move on. It is for the better in the long run for both parties. Life lessons. We all learn and grow from them. Once again, thanks to ironlions for being bold and raising the bar on this board. I am sick and tired of LOW EXPECTATIONS for our program. That is what got us in this hole to begin with. ironlions.....a great roar to you!  |
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Post by runthesystem on Apr 17, 2008 13:40:59 GMT -5
AACoach:
You are welcome to your opinion.
It is not unheard of to have a roster turnover of some degree whenever a new coach takes over a sports program. The 6'7" QB leaving Michigan after Rodriquez was hired, the baseball turnover at Cal State Fullerton after Serrano was hired are high profile examples in other sports. In basketball, in the WCC, players have left Santa Clara after Keating took over the program, including 3 this year. Pepperdine turned over their entire roster in 2 years. Portland moved a lot of players in their last coaching change. Rather than hold it up as an anomaly, I would look at it as to be expected.
That doesn't mean that I like it, but I understand the realities of the situation. A new coach comes in and the players he inherited may not be what he wants for a variety of reasons - style of play, academics, level of commitment, etc. And conversely a returning player may not want to play for a new coach.
Also - in case you are not aware - a scholarship is a year-to-year opportunity, not a guarantee. Most schools in most sports renew 99% of them, but they still have to be earned through a student athlete's commitment in the classroom, off the field of play as well as on the field of play.
I am sure there will be returning players that will leave the team for any number of reasons.
The difference with LMU is that the administration - like many, but certainly not the majority of other schools - will attempt to find other monies for a student-athlete so they can remain in school if they choose. There are grants and loans and academic monies available. LMU has done this in the past both with players that chose to stay in school rather than play somewhere else, and also with players who were unable to graduate on time and yet had used up their eligibility.
You are upset that the players haven't been told what the plans are for them. I don't know if this is true or not, but would you rather the new coach make a decision immediately, or would it be better if he had an opportunity to watch them on tape, work them out and get to know them a little before deciding? They are all on scholarship right now and they all have classes into May so they're not going anywhere in the short term anyway.
I do know that the new coach has promised to be honest with them when the time comes. Right now all the returning players have choices. They can choose to stay and see what happens, or they can choose to start looking for another school. If they choose to stay and see what happens and the new coach does not feel like they are a good fit for his team they can choose to stay in school and not play basketball or they can choose to seek out playing opportunities elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2008 13:43:08 GMT -5
I think before we start thumping our chests, gnashing our teeth, and running people out of town shouldn't we have some recruits lined up! This worries me. A lot of talk so far where is the beef.
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Post by ironlions on Apr 17, 2008 14:10:11 GMT -5
Thanks guys for your support of my post. Duke...recruiting season just started...the fun is about to begin.
Go Lions
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2008 14:25:26 GMT -5
Thank you, I'm stressin lol
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Post by fanblade on Apr 17, 2008 15:44:26 GMT -5
LMU is a division one program, in one of the most competitive conferences in the county. Therefore it must have D1 level players on its team, something, with a few exceptions, it did not have last year. Agreed. This is a reality for all schools not just LMU. That isn't to say I'd be happy with LMU doing whatever everyone else is doing in order to win but as lionspride points out there are 3 goals that must be met and players should understand this when they sign up. Educate, develop student athletes and win championships. It is up to the discretion of the admin and coaches to evaluate who is living up to these goals and who is not. It is not unheard of to have a roster turnover of some degree whenever a new coach takes over a sports program. The 6'7" QB leaving Michigan after Rodriquez was hired, the baseball turnover at Cal State Fullerton after Serrano was hired are high profile examples in other sports. In basketball, in the WCC, players have left Santa Clara after Keating took over the program, including 3 this year. Pepperdine turned over their entire roster in 2 years. Portland moved a lot of players in their last coaching change. Rather than hold it up as an anomaly, I would look at it as to be expected. That doesn't mean that I like it, but I understand the realities of the situation. A new coach comes in and the players he inherited may not be what he wants for a variety of reasons - style of play, academics, level of commitment, etc. And conversely a returning player may not want to play for a new coach. Also - in case you are not aware - a scholarship is a year-to-year opportunity, not a guarantee. Most schools in most sports renew 99% of them, but they still have to be earned through a student athlete's commitment in the classroom, off the field of play as well as on the field of play. I am sure there will be returning players that will leave the team for any number of reasons. The difference with LMU is that the administration - like many, but certainly not the majority of other schools - will attempt to find other monies for a student-athlete so they can remain in school if they choose. There are grants and loans and academic monies available. LMU has done this in the past both with players that chose to stay in school rather than play somewhere else, and also with players who were unable to graduate on time and yet had used up their eligibility. You are upset that the players haven't been told what the plans are for them. I don't know if this is true or not, but would you rather the new coach make a decision immediately, or would it be better if he had an opportunity to watch them on tape, work them out and get to know them a little before deciding? They are all on scholarship right now and they all have classes into May so they're not going anywhere in the short term anyway. I do know that the new coach has promised to be honest with them when the time comes. Right now all the returning players have choices. They can choose to stay and see what happens, or they can choose to start looking for another school. If they choose to stay and see what happens and the new coach does not feel like they are a good fit for his team they can choose to stay in school and not play basketball or they can choose to seek out playing opportunities elsewhere. Excellent comments. I am not sure if people realize how hard LMU's administration tries to accommodate students-athletes who wish to stay here and give them a scholarship. This is not some fluff offer and LMU isn't a cheap school to attend. I don't think it is fun to tell kids to leave LMU. It's a great place and I'd be pissed too if I was kicked out the door. But these are the realities of NCAA basketball and I hope players, parents, AAU coaches, et. al. are aware of all of this when they get into the mix. As of now players are still in the gym, kids are still in class, and there is no "news" to report. We are dealing with a lot of fear, speculation, and rumors recently with all the changes and excitement going on (on the boards, on campus). If changes are made I have confidence the admin and Bayno will handle it with fairness, respect and class. Hang in there duke. Go lions |
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Post by dead3man on Apr 18, 2008 20:03:41 GMT -5
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Just don't lose your Top 3, keep them in place and build with them or around them. Ironlions I like what AACOACH said it makes sense to me. I do understand you can't keep everyone but also lets recognize we do or did have some talent in what I consider our Top 3.....
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