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Post by stillalion on Mar 3, 2010 10:33:41 GMT -5
I swear, the residents that complain about LMU expansion seem to forget the fact that the higher property values and lower crime they enjoy are directly related to their proximity to a university that was in place long before their homes were even built. The proverbial "having their cake and eating it too" mentality. Yes....but then again, what kind of community surrounded us? Rich, snobby people who get their way and probably donate a certain amount of money to the school each year... Crazy - you have said a lot of crazy things on this blog - but nothing has ever confused me this much. If the neighbors donate money to the school each year - that is a good thing right? That would mean that they support the school where it counts - with money. And if they are rich and snobby - then why would they want to share their riches with LMU? You can bash the neighbors all you like - I have no problem with that. I think maybe 1/2 of the anger toward the neighborhood is justified as I also feel that 1/2 of the anger toward LMU is justified by the neighbors. But saying that they hate the university and then saying that they donate to the university just doesn't make sense to me. Please explain.
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Post by titanczar on Mar 3, 2010 14:15:02 GMT -5
I swear, the residents that complain about LMU expansion seem to forget the fact that the higher property values and lower crime they enjoy are directly related to their proximity to a university that was in place long before their homes were even built. The proverbial "having their cake and eating it too" mentality. The “here first” argument doesn’t hold so much holy water, just ask a member of the Tongva tribe how that plays out. Never-the-less, tear down Gersten and in its place reconstitute Alumni Gym, hire Go-Go dancers, pipe in some Polkacide or Project Pimento (because nothing beats an accordion or a theremin), erect a bronze bust of Jim McCloskey in the foyer and you’re set, or at least I’m set. Sorry but yes the "here first" argument does hold a lot of water. The NIMBY's bought a house near a university. Hello universities want to expand and grow. No university stands still. The NIMBY's are naive at best or stupid at worst, if they thought LMU wasn't going to expand.
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Post by ironlions on Mar 3, 2010 14:24:05 GMT -5
Isn't there some sort of call called eminent domain that pertains to universities and colleges.
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Post by lmu2008 on Mar 3, 2010 14:45:55 GMT -5
Eminent domain is only for Government purposes
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Post by stillalion on Mar 3, 2010 14:48:49 GMT -5
I don't think eminent domain applies to private organizations like universities. (could be wrong here - not a lawyer).
From my understanding Eminent Domain only applies to government entities.
Also, there is no need for ED in the LMU case. ED would be if we wanted to force local homeowners to sell us their properties in order for us to do what we want to do. For example, if you are building a freeway and have to tear down a bunch of houses to make it happen - then the government could force sale of the houses under ED.
Not the case here. LMU wants to build more buildings over the next 20 years on the same chunk of property that we are on right now. There is no new land acquisition is in the master plan.
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Post by fanblade on Mar 3, 2010 20:19:51 GMT -5
ED actually can be for private purposes too. There was a landmark USSC case about that recently. ED generally is used for "public welfare" or the betterment of society (deemed by the government of course ). Public entities have acquired land on the behalf of private redevelopment agencies. *DEEP BREATH* But not to get bogged down in all that... stillalion is correct that LMU isn't wanting to expand its footprint or enrollment so the neighbors objections seem even more ridiculous. Unfortunately we have spineless public figures who will bow to any horde of angry NIMBYs even if they are the minority of actual Westchester residents. Why? Because these ornery people are the same few dozen who show up to the polls come election day. Hopefully the city council gets real and passes this master plan because a growing and competitive university is much more beneficial to Los Angeles' economy than a few grumpy neighbors irritated by cars emitting hippity hop music and lights from a baseball field. Sorry for the ranting.
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Post by LMUpepbander on Mar 3, 2010 21:41:10 GMT -5
I have the perfect example of the flawed logic of the NIMBY mentality.
I live a couple blocks away from the Redondo Beach PD's outdoor shooting range. The range was there before we moved in, so we knew that every so often, there'll be a whole lot of gunfire being heard. Just like the NIMBYs should know that if you live near a major university, you'll realize that there's be partying and that sort.
Now, say that the RBPD was going to remodel the range to be an indoor facility. Whereas in this case, it would lead to quieter conditions and less stray bullets landing in the sand box of the elementary school across the street, so would the addition of more on-campus housing and on-campus parking as part of the master plan lead to less students living in the neighborhood and in turn less partying and noise. In the NIMBY world, I'd be raising a complete fuss over the shooting range improvement, just because they're improving the shooting range, not necessarily for a positive or negative impact at the end of the process.
So, where is the logic in fighting something that will help to mitigate a problem just because of annoyance with current conditions?
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Post by stillalion on Mar 3, 2010 22:16:02 GMT -5
Pepbander - I certainly hope that the Redondo Beach shooting range is NOT allowing stray bullets to land in the schools sand box. That was just an example - right? Cause I gotta say you should go protest if bullets are landing in an elementary school!
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Post by stillalion on Mar 3, 2010 22:21:10 GMT -5
Oh - and thanks for the ED info fanblade. I alway try to learn stuff in case I want to become a lawyer.
And - so everyone knows - the Master Plan passed the Neighborhood Council last night and goes up to the next level. I don't exactly who gets to vote on it next - but it's out of the Neighborhood Council.
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Post by LMUpepbander on Mar 3, 2010 22:22:35 GMT -5
Pepbander - I certainly hope that the Redondo Beach shooting range is NOT allowing stray bullets to land in the schools sand box. That was just an example - right? Cause I gotta say you should go protest if bullets are landing in an elementary school! I hate to say it, but it's a true story. Nobody was hurt at the school, but they've had to have lead cleanups over there. Heck, there's people who have homes on the other side of the soccer field from the range that have bullet holes in them.
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Post by stillalion on Mar 3, 2010 22:37:43 GMT -5
Good God Pepbander!
Not trying be a NIMBY - but I really don't want stray bullets in my backyard!
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Post by crazycagegirl on Mar 3, 2010 23:26:01 GMT -5
Yes....but then again, what kind of community surrounded us? Rich, snobby people who get their way and probably donate a certain amount of money to the school each year... Crazy - you have said a lot of crazy things on this blog - but nothing has ever confused me this much. If the neighbors donate money to the school each year - that is a good thing right? That would mean that they support the school where it counts - with money. And if they are rich and snobby - then why would they want to share their riches with LMU? You can bash the neighbors all you like - I have no problem with that. I think maybe 1/2 of the anger toward the neighborhood is justified as I also feel that 1/2 of the anger toward LMU is justified by the neighbors. But saying that they hate the university and then saying that they donate to the university just doesn't make sense to me. Please explain. They hate the students, but they've got to be sending some sort of money to the school if we comply to their wishes as much as we do...they don't like the infiltration, but really - does it make much sense why we respect their wishes as much as we do if we aren't benefiting from it in some way?
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Post by LIONS90045 on Mar 3, 2010 23:36:04 GMT -5
I am a NIYBY but don't live on McConnell. I like the LMU expansion plans and agree the University is a great addition to the community. With a zip code in 90045, I have access to your wonderful library facilities and can come (as can anyone) to Adult education classes. No problems at all with improvements and I doubt there is any way that LMU can "condem" adajacent properties to expand. This is not Detroit. The neighboring homes are worth $700K plus! Every one of them. So don't fret about "eminent domain." LMU
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Post by LIONS90045 on Mar 3, 2010 23:38:35 GMT -5
To continue - LMU has enough real estate for now and they are using it wisely. (bumped the wrong keyboard key before) LMU is a positive contribution to the community and I plan to continue to support the University in any way I can. I enjoy the benefits the University brings to the community.
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Post by slblions08 on Mar 4, 2010 22:09:49 GMT -5
well the next step after a neighborhood council is review by the Board of County Supervisors and if there still is problems the Supervisors would come to visit the area in dispute and old a meeting there themselves.
As far as living near a college, you have to know what youre going to get, but seriously, you are living in Westchester those houses are very nice its some of the nicest places in all of Los Angeles so you can't want it all. I can feel maybe with the older residents who have been there for 50 years or whatever because LMU was smaller back in the day and I guess less partying..but any new residents really don't have a right to argue.
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