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Post by spiritofloyola on Mar 4, 2015 17:31:26 GMT -5
Well Evan does not even appear on "Honorable Mention"... Christopher Anderson, San Diego; Kevin Bailey, Portland; Aaron Bright, Saint Mary's; Brandon Clark, Santa Clara; Jett Raines, Pepperdine; Thomas van der Mars, Portland; T.J. Wallace, Pacific; Anson Winder, BYU You're right. The First Team has some good players that have all contributed to winning and some overall games. You also factor in that Evan has been missing a few games and maybe he did not qualify. But there are guys like Viney, Dubois, Hamilton, Ireland, etc that have all appeared somewhere on a conference team at season's end and LMU has generally been finishing near the bottom. Lets be honest. If Evan says hes transferring Dunlap probably said "You dont deserve to be nominated" or maybe he said "Evan you think youre so good you dont need to be nominated...etc". Look you want to know why Evan would get voted something? Because when he's in the game he gets double and triple teamed by the other team..that's why. Mr. SpiritofLoyola...I encourage you to watch a replay of the Gonzaga vs LMU game here at Gersten when the defense was all over Evan the whole game. I doubt that type of defense is used against scrubs. IronLion's point was he should be first team and it must somehow be Dunlap's fault. My discussion was focused on the first team picks.
I don't have to watch the game, I was there. I have been to or watched all but the games in Hawaii this year. Your point about Evan being double and triple teamed or at least the focus of the other team's defense is a valid one. But it is not an even playing field. Usually teams that finish near the bottom of the conference have at least one high scorer because someone has to score. Look at Hayes when we were out of guards. He scored 20 against Santa Clara. Maybe he can do that every game if he gets the chance but he doesn't. Likewise there are so many good scorers on BYU and Gonzaga that the scoring gets spread around more. Gary Bell Jr. and Sabonis come to mind. So perhaps if Evan plays on a team like that he scores less. Hard to say. I am not sure how various coaches vote, but perhaps it is not all on stats. To your point, Evan did miss 23% of the WCC games.
For the record, I agree with you that Evan should have at least made honorable mention. I haven't looked closely at the other candidates but there are only 5 second teamers and they're all good players. Three of them are on Gonzaga and Tollefsen went for 20 and 10 against us the last time we played him. Not sure about Wintering but I think we controlled him pretty well.
Evan is an exciting, dynamic player and he's very fun to watch play. I will miss watching him play if he leaves next year or after two more years.
Can't agree with your assessment of Dunlap's position because we just don't know. Right now it's just baseless conjecture by pouty fans.
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Post by husky on Mar 4, 2015 20:10:42 GMT -5
While it's possible we are misjudging the coach, the assumption is not "baseless".
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Post by LIONS90045 on Mar 4, 2015 21:34:10 GMT -5
Thank you for your post Imperiallion - well stated. Husky - hang in here and keep submitting your thoughts! I like your thought process and ability to articulate ideas.
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Post by ALioninWinter on Mar 4, 2015 23:05:38 GMT -5
Imperial - I concur. I struggle with the theory that CMD only played him sporadically because of his sore knee. Playing a few minutes, then sitting for awhile ... and then repeating the process is not good therapy for a sore knee. It's actually the antithesis of what should be done.
To Evan's credit, I never saw him complain or mope. He was always attentive. He was always quick to jump in line at the end of games to shake opponents' hands.
I know what I would do if I were him ....
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Post by loyalion on Mar 5, 2015 17:36:24 GMT -5
Theal36, Hamilton was not the athlete Payne is. Come on. I get Imperial's point about talent wise EP is one of the better ones. If you asked any NBA gm, Ireland or Payne i would guess 95% or more would say payne.
And many teams have at least honorable mention even if they are terrible if the guy is deserving. Evan is deserving and i wouldnt be surprised if it was Dunlaps doing that he wasnt nominated. I doubt we will see Payne back in a lion's uniform next year and that is a shame. Hopefully Dunlaps recruits improve because right now it isnt looking like we have too many D1 caliber players on our roster. Looking more like Tention's final years.
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Post by husky on Mar 5, 2015 18:12:24 GMT -5
Hamilton was more entertaining than Evan? I can't even begin to wrap my mind around that observation. Lets see, if you consider crashing into defensive players over and over, entertaining you may have a point. Ashley was certainly hardworking but not the quickest thinker on the court. If stats were compiled on most player control fouls he would have been in the top one tenth of one percent. I hope "36's" observations don't in fact depict Dunlap's player evaluation process, because if it does, we are so screwed.
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Post by husky on Mar 5, 2015 19:14:22 GMT -5
Good job of parsing the word "entertainment". I always find it vastly more entertaining when the Lions win. At the player level scoring tops my entertainment criteria followed by emphatic blocks and thunderous dunks. Last year we started off winning (10-4 at the end of December 13) attendance was up; then as players fell to injuries and we dropped back into the cellar of the conference it fell off. You may have a point about Good being entertaining. While I found Max's altogether too often profane ; so indeed things are in the eye of the beholder. But that said, the fact remains that 9 out of 10 hard core basketball fans would agree that Evan is entertaining. Don't take my word for it, check with Coach Dunlap's ESPN groupies, they replayed Evans fantastic dunk against Wichita State for days.
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Post by imperiallion on Mar 5, 2015 21:22:46 GMT -5
Athletically there is NO comparison. Now AI was one of my favorite players, but if you compare EP to AI I would pick Evan. Evan has more upside. Anthony is one of those "special" players I talk about, but I guarantee you, Max would never have relegated Anthony to the bench, and for sure he would never let Anthony get away.
"Let's say the decision was Dunlaps. It's actually a pretty smart move." No, it's actually a pretty ignorant move! How would you feel if you worked your tail off all year, averaged 18 pts a game, and your coach didn't even mention you when it came for ALL League nominations? Really? Great way to build a good relationship.
Is that a reason to not nominate a player? You've got to be kidding. As a coach you don't try to hide your players. You build them up, by creating a creating an atmosphere where the player excels on the court,and in the classroom. You show your players that YOU believe in them. If you do this, then you do not have to worry about a "Big School" taking your player. All any "Big School" coach has to do is watch tape on Evan and he will immediately realize he is a special player and that we at LMU are lucky to have him...
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Post by aussielion on Mar 5, 2015 21:41:31 GMT -5
i have a real easy solution to all of this did Dunlap do this or didnt Dunlap do that somebody ask him you might get told but hey thats life
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Post by husky on Mar 6, 2015 17:33:24 GMT -5
I must admit I have never watched a practice; take it you have. Problem is there is neither an "All Conference Practice Team" nor a Practice Player of the Year", and I don't think many fans would shell out $20 to watch a practice session. And here I thought it was the coaches job to inspire his players to contribute; in Evan's case it seems Dunlap hasn't been getting the job done. Sounds like they are at an impasse and as much as I would like to see him continue to be a Lion, I fear he's gone.
However, I finally grasp your logic with the Ashley being more entertaining than Evan thing; after all if Evan is benched he clearly cannot be as entertaining as Ashley is, assuming Ashley is actually on the court and Evan Isn't. Yeah, how could we miss it?
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Post by LIONS90045 on Mar 6, 2015 19:49:49 GMT -5
Well said paperclip (not!) - I've always wondered what a douche looks like. Keep up your great contributions.
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Post by LIONS90045 on Mar 6, 2015 21:13:10 GMT -5
paperclip - that's much better - thanks for your thoughts.
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Post by husky on Mar 6, 2015 21:19:03 GMT -5
Those possibilities don't seem very positive to me. Hope they are not reflective of Coach Dunlap's thought processes; were are in trouble if they are. Most likely they simply don't get along and I have never heard anyone characterize Dunlap as either generous or magnanimous so he's the boss and most probably Evan is not coming back, we'll see.
British comedy huh? I thought you were trying to reference an "Il Duce" (such as having characteristics of Benito Mussolini) but that you just couldn't spell.
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