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Post by titanczar on Jun 29, 2009 13:44:03 GMT -5
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Post by ldawg on Jun 29, 2009 16:03:36 GMT -5
That's an interesting article. Dollars name was kicked around for just about all wet coast openings recently but I didn't realize he ended up at Seattle.
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Post by titanczar on Jun 29, 2009 16:35:24 GMT -5
What would LMU fans think about adding Seattle U and making the WCC a nine team conference?
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Post by ironlions on Jun 29, 2009 16:49:02 GMT -5
SU would be a perfect fit the WCC. The school has a tremendous basketball history and would be a welcome addition to our conference.
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Post by ldawg on Jun 29, 2009 16:57:19 GMT -5
Add Pacific for an even 10. I think both schools would be decent competition and would help scheduling. But we shouldn't add SU until they are at least tournament eligible and can be a 150 RPI team for 2 or so years. I understand why the schools don't want to rush into things.
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Post by titanczar on Jun 29, 2009 21:22:32 GMT -5
What do those two schools bring to the WCC?
Are the things they bring, worth splitting the NCAA pie, with two other schools?
This is just an example, I don't know the exact numbers but if the WCC got $500K for the NCAA tourney, that is $62,500 per school. Of course, 10 schools would be $50K per school. Are you willing to take a pay cut by adding those two schools?
Yes, the flip side is that adding a strong program like UOP, the WCC could get four schools into the NCAA tourney. Oh wait, sorry the delusional mid major fan came out.
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Post by LIONS90045 on Jun 29, 2009 22:53:52 GMT -5
Let's put them on our schedule for a few years and see how things work out. We should have beat Seattle last year and likely will prevail if we played again in the coming years. Let's get some wins early. In any case, good luck to Seattle Univ.
Regarding UOP, I thought one unifying element of the WCC is the schools are all Jesuit colleges and Pacific doesn't seem to qualify on this point.
The NCAA money factor seems minor and should not be an influence if adding teams makes sense.
Travel schedule may come into play here as LMU typically plays two teams up north each swing that way and visiting teams typically combine LMU with Pepperdine when in LA.
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Post by titanczar on Jun 30, 2009 0:20:19 GMT -5
How does the WCC work out the travel partners for the three Bay Area schools?
Do they rotate and the odd team out, gets paired with USD?
Santa Clara and St. Mary's
USF and USD
Then two years later,
USD and St. Mary's
USF and Santa Clara.
How would travel partners work in a ten team WCC?
The four Bay Area teams, with UOP, can be travel partners. But what would happen with USD, SU, Portland, and GU?
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Post by ADG'99 on Jun 30, 2009 6:35:04 GMT -5
Regarding UOP, I thought one unifying element of the WCC is the schools are all Jesuit colleges and Pacific doesn't seem to qualify on this point. WCC schools are FAR from all Jesuit. Pepperdine is affiliated with the Churches of Christ-- hence all the signs saying "Jesus was a Jesuit" and the jokes about curfews and not dancing. . . etc. Also St. Mary's is Catholic but not Jesuit. |
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Post by LIONS90045 on Jun 30, 2009 10:37:46 GMT -5
Mea culpa - thanks for clarifying as I did not check all college websites just a sample.
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Post by pilotnut on Jun 30, 2009 11:53:22 GMT -5
And Portland is Holy Cross, not Jesuit... the same order that runs the UP of the midwest, Notre Dame...
Isnt USD associated with the Diocese, not Jesuits or any other order?
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Post by ldawg on Jun 30, 2009 12:42:13 GMT -5
USD is independent. I think they had a falling out with whatever order officially started it.
As for travel partners as of now USD pairs with a rotating 3rd bay area school. I It wouldn't be much fun for the southern most school and the northern most school to be travel partners but ?
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Post by oldestlion on Jun 30, 2009 21:06:54 GMT -5
Starting from the North - Gonzaga, San Francisco, Santa Clara and LMU are Jesuit schools. Portland, St. Marys and San Diego are Catholic but not Jesuit. San Diego is run by the Diocese of San Diego, not an order like Portland and St. Marys. Pepperdine is the lone non-Catholic school.
Seattle is Jesuit but will become a WCC member only when the Presidents of the WCC schools vote them in. They are the sole vote - ADs, etc, have no voice.
Rather than Pacific (who wants in) UCSB (who also wants in) would be a much better partner, giving the southland a four team, reasonably close array of schools in LMU, San Diego, Pepperdine and UCSB, with three in the center (USF, Santa Clara and St Marys) and three in the North (Gonzaga, Portland and Seattle).
It makes for much easier scheduling, with trips to Gonzaga and Seattle on one swing and Portland and one of the Bay Area schools on another. If you have ever made the Portland-Gonzaga Thursday-Saturday or Saturday-Monday trip, you'll know what I mean. It's much easier to get from the Bay Area to Portland than it is to get from Portland to Gonzage and it's more fun.
Don't hold your breath. Getting the WCC presidents to agree on anything is almost impossible. It took over 10 years to get agreement on moving the WCC tournament to a neutral site.
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