Lions vs. Pilots

[Fan]

Enough with the back and forth. How about our walk on point guard. Only two WCC games but in the WCC he is #5 in scoring; #4 in Scoring %; #11 in FT % (only missed one); #2 in 3pts made; and #5 in Assist to Turnovers. Not bad for walk on!!! I wonder how many walk ons make all conference honers? With the WCC being down this year other then the ZAGS and GAELS crazier things could happen. GO CORY!!!

[lmu]

Stop calling people naive. Have a little respect for everyone's intelligence!

[lionspride]

Fan said:

Enough with the back and forth. How about our walk on point guard. Only two WCC games but in the WCC he is #5 in scoring; #4 in Scoring %; #11 in FT % (only missed one); #2 in 3pts made; and #5 in Assist to Turnovers. Not bad for walk on!!! I wonder how many walk ons make all conference honers? With the WCC being down this year other then the ZAGS and GAELS crazier things could happen. GO CORY!!!

I will toast to that.....Cory has been a steady player for us and has stepped up big time in conference play. Counts has saved us at the point guard this season with the dissappointment in QT. However, QT seems to be improving a bit.

[scoop]

How does complaining after a win make you a real fan? Some of your points are well taken, but to complain when we do take steps in the right direction. Guess what, the zags didnt become what they are overnight. If you thought we were going to walk in and be at the level of a Gonzaga with a group as inexperienced as we have you are kidding yourself. I suggest all of us FANS, support the team we have and enjoy their growth. But maybe i'm alone on this.

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Amen fan. Counts sure did light it up in front of those NBA scouts (coincidence, I think not! ) but he's kept it up. QT has cut down on his TOs. More fun for the whole family.

[lmu]

lionspride said:

lmu said:

Scoop,

The thing is a lot of fans think they know better than the rest so when things don't go their way (the timing of substitution, the recruiting or whatever) they get pissed off. I irked when i read comments like "we won't get better until certain years" or "we won't get better until we find a big man". F' OFF already! We did get better last night, without waiting for 2010 or addition of another big man. College basketball is all about heart, don't tell me we can't win with current group, that's bullsh$t!

Don't try to twist my words lmu. I never said we cannot win games without a new Big Man until 2009-2010. No team can consistently win games with an unbalanced attack. Any quality caliber team will know how to defend against it. I stating that we cannot seriously contend and pull off a .500 season or contend for a WCC title without SOLID QUALITY BIG MEN presence down low. Please don't twist my words. If you disagree with my opinion, that is fine. However, I think most of those so-called college basketball expert analysts (Andy Katz, etc.) willl tell you that a guard attack/outside shooting exhibition will not win you conference championships.

So how did I wrong you? Your point is we can't win 50% of the games or contend WCC if we don't have quality big men. And you said multiple times that we will have to wait til 10-11 to get that quality big man. So basically you are saying we are doomed until 2010-11.

I am saying that's not the case. Skills, size, talent are secondary. The most important element of the game is the size of your heart. I say we can start winning now, if you are not a believer of that, why support LMU? Why not come back after 2010?

[lionspride]

Scoop: You are not alone. I am right there with you. I go to all home games. I support. I want to watch this team grow. I only want the best for our Lions.

I didn't expect us to win conference this year (see my posts this summer), but I did anticipate winning....DII CS Dominguez Hills, UCI, St. Bony's, UCR, and DII/DI CS Bakersfield) All those games we should have been able to win (even with young players). However, a couple of those games we got our butts run off the court. We have had extremely low valleys (losing streak of 7) and one/two peak to the season (win over Boise State and competing against UCSB)

[lionspride]

lmu said:

lionspride said:

Don't try to twist my words lmu. I never said we cannot win games without a new Big Man until 2009-2010. No team can consistently win games with an unbalanced attack. Any quality caliber team will know how to defend against it. I stating that we cannot seriously contend and pull off a .500 season or contend for a WCC title without SOLID QUALITY BIG MEN presence down low. Please don't twist my words. If you disagree with my opinion, that is fine. However, I think most of those so-called college basketball expert analysts (Andy Katz, etc.) willl tell you that a guard attack/outside shooting exhibition will not win you conference championships.

So how did I wrong you? Your point is we can't win 50% of the games or contend WCC if we don't have quality big men. And you said multiple times that we will have to wait til 10-11 to get that quality big man. So basically you are saying we are doomed until 2010-11.

I am saying that's not the case. Skills, size, talent are secondary. The most important element of the game is the size of your heart. I say we can start winning now, if you are not a believer of that, why support LMU? Why not come back after 2010?

LMU:

I continue to attend all home games no matter who is coaching or what players are on the court. I agree that we can begin winning and teaching these younger players how to do it. However, my comments about 2009-2010 are directed at achieving a .500 (which is not asking much) and contending for a WCC championship. It is MY OPINION that the aforementioned cannot be done with strictly a guard attack/outside shooting exhibition. Our BIGS need to major HUGE steps to improvement over the next year (which is asking a ton and may not be realistic in my opinion) or we will have to wait for a new recruit in 2009-2010. You act as if the rest of the teams in our conference are going to remain static forever while we improve. If our BIGs are getting beat night in, night out now, the probability and likelihood is that our BIGS will lose out again next year. Just be a realist.

[Deleted]

Lucky for us the bottom of the WCC is wide open. SCU got slaughtered by SMC and they were supposedly the favorites for 3rd or maybe USD which barely escaped a bad USF. It's up to the team and coaches to make it happen. No excuses.

[lionspride]

Agree with duke on the bottom of the WCC is wide open. But let's shoot for the top and see what happens. I am sure Rodney is not telling his players to shoot for 5th or 6th or 7th in the WCC. Just as R.T. I assume is stressing to our players, let's keep our eye on the prize.

GO LIONS!

[lmu]

lionspride said:

lmu said:

So how did I wrong you? Your point is we can't win 50% of the games or contend WCC if we don't have quality big men. And you said multiple times that we will have to wait til 10-11 to get that quality big man. So basically you are saying we are doomed until 2010-11.

I am saying that's not the case. Skills, size, talent are secondary. The most important element of the game is the size of your heart. I say we can start winning now, if you are not a believer of that, why support LMU? Why not come back after 2010?

LMU:

I continue to attend all home games no matter who is coaching or what players are on the court. I agree that we can begin winning and teaching these younger players how to do it. However, my comments about 2009-2010 are directed at achieving a .500 (which is not asking much) and contending for a WCC championship. It is MY OPINION that the aforementioned cannot be done with strictly a guard attack/outside shooting exhibition. Our BIGS need to major HUGE steps to improvement over the next year (which is asking a ton and may not be realistic in my opinion) or we will have to wait for a new recruit in 2009-2010. You act as if the rest of the teams in our conference are going to remain static forever while we improve. If our BIGs are getting beat night in, night out now, the probability and likelihood is that our BIGS will lose out again next year. Just be a realist.

You just have to watch what you are saying. You are saying two different things in ur reply. First, you say you agree we can begin winning. Second, you say achieving .500 won't happen until after next year.

Now what do you really believe? Or are you saying we can win but not above .500? When I say we can win, I mean we can get above .500 (if not this year, next year) and I say we can contend for WCC (if not this year, next year). That's what I mean by winning.

Btw, I am not questioning your fanhood, I know you are a true lions fan, but your reasoning skills left a lot to be desired.

[lionspride]

lmu said:

lionspride said:

LMU:

I continue to attend all home games no matter who is coaching or what players are on the court. I agree that we can begin winning and teaching these younger players how to do it. However, my comments about 2009-2010 are directed at achieving a .500 (which is not asking much) and contending for a WCC championship. It is MY OPINION that the aforementioned cannot be done with strictly a guard attack/outside shooting exhibition. Our BIGS need to major HUGE steps to improvement over the next year (which is asking a ton and may not be realistic in my opinion) or we will have to wait for a new recruit in 2009-2010. You act as if the rest of the teams in our conference are going to remain static forever while we improve. If our BIGs are getting beat night in, night out now, the probability and likelihood is that our BIGS will lose out again next year. Just be a realist.

You just have to watch what you are saying. You are saying two different things in ur reply. First, you say you agree we can begin winning. Second, you say achieving .500 won't happen until after next year.

Now what do you really believe? Or are you saying we can win but not above .500? When I say we can win, I mean we can get above .500 (if not this year, next year) and I say we can contend for WCC (if not this year, next year). That's what I mean by winning.

To clear it up for you.

We can obviously win games this year (we have won 4 haven't we?). I am saying we cannot hit the .500 mark this year (obviously we cannot do this unless we virtually run the table the rest of the way) or next year without MAJOR improvement from our BIGS (which in my opinion is asking a lot and is not practical to expect them to improve so greatly over one year given their potential I see on the court) or having a new additional BIG (which will not happen until 2009-2010). It will be very very difficult for us to even out the offensive attack until this 2009-2010 season. That is all I am saying. It is much easier for any team to guard against an unbalanced attack. Until we balance it out, I don't see us winning consistently (.500+ season). Therefore, I don't see our program making the MAJOR steps in the right direction. We are either going backwards (and maybe 1 step back and two steps forward....yet to be seen) or staying similar to the last decade. I want and we should demand that this program be a WINNING PROGRAM (above .500 finishes). that is all I am saying and have been saying on all my posts.

[scoop]

Now that stuff i can agree with. I think we are starting to speak the same language. i think my frustration was just in that as long as it had been since we were able to celebrate, why spoil it. I do agree that the UCR and Bakersfield games were bad losses, I just think it is a little bit hasty to say the program is headed in the wrong direction. I have been very impressed with us in conference play. The zags are deeper and more experienced than us, so that showed, but we competed and had an 8 point game with 4 minutes remainning, so its not like our guys didnt compete. I'm just saying i think this team wont be suffering from the same problems in a few years when they have been there before. aside from Ziri, i dont know if anyone else has played more than a few hundred collegiat minutes in thier whole career. They just dont know what it takes... but i am excited because i think they are starting to get it. I am willing to bet we go in and lose focus and screw off another game before the season is over, but i also think we might steal one that people dont expect...


Simply my thoughts


Also, I dont think it is out of the realm of possibility for our bigs to blossom. I think terron has taken steps already this year, and he is just a freshman. Tim is very skilled offensively, and once he adds some strength and experience playing against bigger players night in and night out (i assume he didnt in HS) i think we have something. Keep the faith, they will get better, i think given time the coaches will develop these guys. as tough as it is we just have to be patient.

[lmu]

lionspride said:

lmu said:

You just have to watch what you are saying. You are saying two different things in ur reply. First, you say you agree we can begin winning. Second, you say achieving .500 won't happen until after next year.

Now what do you really believe? Or are you saying we can win but not above .500? When I say we can win, I mean we can get above .500 (if not this year, next year) and I say we can contend for WCC (if not this year, next year). That's what I mean by winning.

To clear it up for you.

We can obviously win games this year (we have won 4 haven't we?). I am saying we cannot hit the .500 mark this year (obviously we cannot do this unless we virtually run the table the rest of the way) or next year without MAJOR improvement from our BIGS (which in my opinion is asking a lot and is not practical to expect them to improve so greatly over one year given their potential I see on the court) or having a new additional BIG (which will not happen until 2009-2010). It will be very very difficult for us to even out the offensive attack until this 2009-2010 season. That is all I am saying.

So basically you are saying we can't start winning now. Allright, we just have to agree to disagree then.

[lionspride]

Scoop & LMU:

Fair enough. Agree to disagree. I truly would like to be proven wrong with my thoughts as that would mean we would become a winning program next year (.500). I would love to eat my prediction. I will be the first to admit it and proudly admit it. I will support no matter what happens. And yes, support is going to the game, cheering the team, and having my own opinion (just like everyone else) at analyzing the progress we are making.

We will just have to wait and see.

GO LIONS!