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Post by fryer4three on Apr 29, 2022 9:31:21 GMT -5
I really hate to be the bearer of bad news for lions fans and all mid major fans not named Gonzaga maybe, but the day of the mid major competing with the big boys is just about over with the current NIL rules.
You now have players negotiating contracts with agents for essentially pay for play. Isaiah Wong of Miami who is a decent but not great player hears that incoming transfer Nigel pack is given 2 years 800,000 and a Porsche from LifeWallet (booster of Miami)… he now threatens to transfer if lifewallet doesn’t up his offer.
Here is what is already happening and will happen next: the top and very good mid major players will all enter the transfer portal. They will then have an agent (“NIL representative ‘approved’ by the ncaa) negotiate with bigger named schools who have money to offer them through “marketing contracts”. More often than not, they will go to the highest bidder. Guys who have good years let’s say their freshman year, will negotiate offseason with current team and threaten to transfer offseason if they do not get what they want. Hell— I predict that you will have guys threaten to sit out MID YEAR if they are playing well and not getting enough.
If you’re Stan Johnson and pintens you are sick right now what this has turned into. If you’re a big donor, if those exist at lmu, you should start considering how much money is worth a great basketball team. I can promise you that Stan and pintens are worried right now. The sad thing is that this was all predictable. This is what the ncaa wanted and this is what Emmert allowed.
A sad sad time for college basketball. I don’t see at all how the mid majors can ever rise into prominence again without significant financial backing…
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Post by LIONS90045 on Apr 29, 2022 11:15:17 GMT -5
Hope you are wrong but the sky could fall with these new rules. College players are now officially "pros."
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Post by golions1444 on Apr 29, 2022 16:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by golions1444 on Apr 29, 2022 16:26:20 GMT -5
Also heard some smaller schools are hiring branding experts to their athletic staff. That’s pretty genius in my opinion. If you can add to your recruiting pitch that someone on staff will be dedicated to making you into a brand name or helping you find the right NIL deals in LA that’s a big competitive advantage over schools not doing that
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Post by lionlife on May 1, 2022 11:26:50 GMT -5
I don't buy it that NIL is somehow a new advantage for big schools. What, exactly, is their new leg up? Money? That's always been a factor. Coach K has a private jet he uses to visit players, for crying out loud. Alabama, Auburn, Ohio State and others have been in a decades-long arms race to build the best stadiums, costing them each hundreds of millions of dollars over time. Big schools can buy advertising, billboards, stock their merchandise in stores, and other types of influence that small schools can't afford. Big schools take private flights to games, buy the best coaches, the best branding, the best housing for players, etc. The only difference now is that a chunk of that money goes to the people earning it on the court or the field. Sponsors? Big schools have always had the leg up in sponsorships because sponsors know their money goes further with big schools, and players care. The best schools get the best gear, the best catered food, the best everything. The only difference now is they'll also get the most money. Players getting what they want? The transfer trend predates NIL. Players leave when they don't get what they want, whether that's playing time, a good relationship with their coach, proximity to home, a good experience on campus, or any number of other reasons. By the way, regular students do this, too, including if they can get a better scholarship or pay less tuition at a different school.
NIL is LONG overdue. College athletes have been, essentially, working 20-30 hours a week at an unpaid internship with no promise of a job after school for years. It's about time they get paid for it. And it isn't creating a competitive advantage that didn't already exist. Money, power and sponsors have been shaping the college sports landscape for eternity, as well as the high school, AAU and youth landscapes. Amateur basketball doesn't really exist outside of intramural leagues.
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Post by fryer4three on May 11, 2022 11:22:03 GMT -5
"The only difference now is that they'll get the most money".....
You dont think there is a substantial difference between players playing for a school on tv lots and getting the best gear and a player getting straight cash for $500,000 to 1 million dollars?
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Post by lionlife on May 13, 2022 12:27:10 GMT -5
Of course there's a difference on the player end. It's a much better deal for the players. All I'm saying is that it doesn't create an advantage that didn't already exist for the bigger, wealthier schools - they've always had every advantage. I don't think the NIL arrangement will tip the scales any further than they're already tipped.
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Post by irelandnepal187 on May 13, 2022 18:20:39 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they'll be changing rules and regulations consistently and considerably. The NCAA knows the party is over. There's so many more options for professional paths for kid's with hoop dreams. Even the NBA's minor league has started an alternative. But the current situation could/should offer us an advantage over other small and irrelevant. Location, location, location. If my work involved shampoo, I'd totally offer LEAUPEPE 75 stacks for a year. No risk, that's less than you gotta pay HR people. High potential reward situation, get something viral for two days? Men's Beauty, there's gold in them hills. School's in actual Los Angeles. Only 4. Glad to hear LMU hiring outside help to navigate and maximize. Knew this kid understood marketing when he showed up already claiming nickname Sniper, Stephens looks like he's already involved in some aspect of this. twitter.com/i/web/status/1519359385524326400
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Post by slblions08 on May 21, 2022 17:06:40 GMT -5
The fact that Nick friggin Saban is the most fearful and the biggest complainer about NIL should tell you all you need to realize about the topic. NIL is the only threat to the current power structure. Saban who has the most advantages of any university/sport combo in the world finds it unfair.
Now personally, I think NIL still doesn’t solve the problem of the player compensation. However, at least it’s something and yes you can use it your advantage if you can.
If a small college in the sticks can’t compete with NILs I get it, but if LMU can’t do it, the perhaps a new AD with vision and a network is needed.
I mean consider the fact that the woman’s softball team is on ESPN battling UCLA in the second round. How many alumni knew this? Who knew they were that good all year? How many daughters of alumni could’ve been invited to games? If you can’t even promote that, what types of failures would come with an NIT worthy mens basketball team? A lot of people ripping Stan for not landing 4 star recruits like Steve Lavin, but why is the role that Pintens should be playing ignored?
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Post by ALioninWinter on May 22, 2022 0:12:11 GMT -5
I agree that a whole lot more could be done to promote successful efforts.
This year, the LMU softball team was the class of the WCC, edging out BYU. They’re actually now in the first round of the NCAA tournament. They best Ole Miss in their first game then lost to UCLA today. It’s a double elimination regional tournament so they’re still in it.
The Beach Volleyball team recently finished in 4th place nationally after a nice showing in Gulf Shore, Alabama.
Women's tennis made it to the NCAA tournament (but lost in first round).
The baseball team, while not having a strong year, just today scored 17 runs in a game against BYU.
We currently have a mens golfer in the Top 20 of the NCAA Regional.
These are all notable achievements in just the last month and should be well promoted by the university.
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Post by LIONS90045 on Apr 3, 2023 13:16:53 GMT -5
The President of the NCAA was on a Sunday talk show. He thinks the current NIL “system” is the Wild West. There are concerns that college sports will evolve into two classes: the “haves” and the “don’t haves,” with the “haves” accumulating all the top players. He wants two changes now: 1. Full disclosure of all NIL deals to the public. And 2. A “standardized” NIL contract for all players. He also offered the opinion that most college athletes do not want to be considered “employees” that some are advocating for. This is an evolving situation.
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Post by vadlion on Apr 3, 2023 19:45:11 GMT -5
I think NIL is here to stay. I recently received an email about LMU creating a NIL collective to compete with recruiting players. Below is a portion of the email I received as they are trying to raise funds. NIL is absolutely changing college sports. Going forward, NIL has become essential to success. To that end, we have started a NIL Collective named Magis Lions to support all of LMU Athletics, specifically men’s basketball. You can learn more at magislions.com . We are currently recruiting student-athletes, transfers, and highly-rated high school players. Many top players will decide based on how much NIL support they will receive.
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Post by hankandboshow on Apr 4, 2023 18:08:56 GMT -5
not to be the bearer of bad news but as a major donor I won't be contributing to the NIL. I would rather develop student athletes and have a high GPA than turn in to a joke one-note program. The last NCAA tournament was a total joke and as much as I want to see LMU make the tournament before I die, I'd rather have some dignity and develop some quality human beings rather than sell out to win at any cost. We've been through this, the whole Brandon Brown thing I didn't agree with. Fellow AA member Bill Bayno (no I am not innocent by any means). Stan Johnson win or lose is the guy we need. Craig Pintens is 100 miles ahead of Mr. Husak, who I have minimal respect for on a personal level. Enough said, go Lions and LMU til I die. Some of you will get old and get it.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:26:25 GMT -5
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Post by pumpfake on Apr 4, 2023 18:26:25 GMT -5
I see where you are coming on from on NIL (at least what NIL is today). Miami went out and bought their ticket to the final 4. I take exception with your take on Brandon Brown and the suggestion that we lowered our standards by giving him a 2nd chance. Maybe you know something that I don't, but to my knowledge, Brandon was a great player for us and a high character humble kid who represented LMU well. The article below recaps the story for those who don't know but I love that Dunlap and co gave this kid an opportunity. His crime was not a small one but he was 16 and did hard time and came out the other side a winner in life. I will root for that every day and am proud our university played a part in picking Brandon up. www.laloyolan.com/sports/basketball/brandon-brown-the-redemption-man/article_2e317233-a0cd-5d31-8f9b-04db6e520a4f.html
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Post by hankandboshow on Apr 4, 2023 20:14:48 GMT -5
Fair enough, pumpfake.
He has done nothing less than show he made a mistake and repented for it. My problem was he should not have given that opportunity at a university such as as.. Am I holding to a higher standard yes, and I was/am a win at all costs but as I get older I would rather not be embarrassed by an instution than take a chance on an individual who does not deserve it, save his athletic ability. Do I wish the best for Brandon absolutely, but having taught many talented youngsters I hate to say it but parenting plays a big time role. I am open minded but I was one of maybe 3 people at Morgan State in Baltimore rooting on the Lions in the dark Max Good years when Edgar Garibay was on the end of the bench acting like an idiot rooting on his teammates. So, I am far from Mr. Fly-by-night. I respect your thoughts and opinions and very much I hold back my true feelings.
Fight on Loyola.
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