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Post by lmuseniorfan on Mar 25, 2019 15:27:57 GMT -5
I should have said "they made the Final Four one other time".
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Post by ironlion on Mar 25, 2019 16:34:18 GMT -5
This is Dunlap's first winning season in five years so let's not commission a statue of him outside of Gersten just yet. Historically the biggest test is being able to back to back winning seasons which unfortunately hasn't happened much in our history. Let's see if Dunlap can keep up the progression next year.
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Post by husky on Mar 25, 2019 17:49:18 GMT -5
Is our conference record also "turned around" to tie for the third best in program history? Is the overall 3rd best also verified? Has our attendance also been restored to third best in program history? If so it seems we all should be much more awe struck than we obviously are. Agree we wait another year at least to commission the statue. All that aside, don't we have a game to win in a couple of hours??
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Post by ironlion on Mar 25, 2019 18:21:29 GMT -5
After five years, Dunlap is pretty much Rodney Tention after looking at conference play. LMU Regular season winning WCC conference records:
Season Conf W L Coach(es) 1987-88 WCAC 14 0 Paul Westhead (28-4) 1989-90 WCC 13 1 Paul Westhead (26-6) 2011-12 WCC 11 5 Max Good (21-13) 1967-68 WCAC 11 3 John Arndt (19-6) 1979-80 WCAC 10 6 Ron Jacobs (14-14) 1988-89 WCAC 10 4 Paul Westhead (20-11) 1985-86 WCAC 10 4 Paul Westhead (19-11) 1970-71 WCAC 10 4 Dick Baker (15-10) 1966-67 WCAC 10 4 John Arndt (16-10) 1960-61 WCAC 10 2 William Donovan (20-7) 1959-60 WCAC 9 3 William Donovan (19-8) 2018-19 WCC 8 8 Mike Dunlap (21-11) 2005-06 WCC 8 6 Rodney Tention (12-18) 2009-10 WCC 7 7 Max Good (18-16) 1965-66 WCAC 7 7 John Arndt (11-15)
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Post by hootevers on Mar 25, 2019 18:33:37 GMT -5
I certainly didn’t reference a statue for dunlap. that’s iron’s comment. I just stated fact in response to the oldtimer’s veiled criticism of dunlap. the other guy denigrates the accomplishments of this season’s team with questions about attendance, verification and that he isn’t in greater awe. to him and the other poster, if the team wins tonight, no credit to dunlap. if the team loses tonight, all blame on dunlap. the wcc is as good as any time in its history. comparing coaches records is apples and oranges.
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Post by ironlion on Mar 25, 2019 19:32:59 GMT -5
Bravo Hootevers for being such a strong supporter of Dunlap. I'm just curious what your connection to him is.
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Post by hootevers on Mar 25, 2019 20:04:49 GMT -5
no connection to dunlap. I support the players and the coaching staff. I do react when the haters spew their reckless crap.
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Post by oldestlion on Mar 26, 2019 12:28:46 GMT -5
then how do you explain the 'hack' dunlap leading this year's team to the 3rd best record (tied) in program history? are you insinuating that dunlap does not run a clean program? do specify which of his players have been in trouble with the law. do specify what players he has bought. dunlap is a graduate of lmu. indeed, he is 'one of ours.' taking the job out of desperation is pure b.s.. maybe he turned down husak's offers before because of what you stated 'the board and the administration refuse to provide anything other than empty promises and lip service.' as to the inference that dunlap's heart is not in it, again pure b.s.. he works as hard as any reasonable person would expect of a collegiate head coach. yet, dunlap accepted husak's latest offer 5 years ago despite the losing culture and, as stated at the beginning of this response, has led this team to the 3rd best record (tied) in program history. as to jones, he is not a head coach.
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Post by oldestlion on Mar 26, 2019 13:12:06 GMT -5
Mike Dunlap has wanted the LMU job in the past. When he returned from Australia, he applied for the job, but the AD, Brian Quinn, chose Charles Bradley instead. That hire did not work out so well. Dunlap subsequently found a head coaching job at Metropolitan State. I think he was at Metro State for 9 years. His teams made the Div 2 playoffs every year he was there, they won two Div 2 Championships, they were the runner-up once, and they made the Final Four one time. He applied for the LMU job another time while he was at Metro State. I believe he was the top candidate, but he eventually declined to be considered because he did not believe the administration at that time had sufficient admissions policies and financial support in place for any coach to be successful at LMU.
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Post by lmu2015 on Mar 26, 2019 14:40:30 GMT -5
This is probably one of the 10 best teams in the history of our program. That being said, yes this team is not that good in comparison to the rest of college basketball (probably somewhere between the top third and top half of D1 basketball). But relative to LMUs history, this season has been incredible. We obviously all want LMU to be better, but CMD has just lead one of the most successful seasons in our school history and you cannot really deny that. That is more of a testament to how bad our history is than it is to CMD, but people generally need to stop acting like our school can develop a successful basketball culture by flipping the switch. Good took the program out of the absolute gutter, CMD arguably put it back in the gutter in his first year but has shown improvement each year. I do not think CMD can take this program where we all want it to go, a tourney bound team, which is why i support getting rid of him, but we should really be enjoying this year. Everyone here knows that NCAAB is a coaching carousel on 4-6 year rotations until you hopefully can land a program changer, CMD is not that program changer but he did just lead us to arguably our most successful season in my life, so that has to count for something.
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Post by oldestlion on Mar 26, 2019 18:37:43 GMT -5
then how do you explain the 'hack' dunlap leading this year's team to the 3rd best record (tied) in program history? are you insinuating that dunlap does not run a clean program? do specify which of his players have been in trouble with the law. do specify what players he has bought. dunlap is a graduate of lmu. indeed, he is 'one of ours.' taking the job out of desperation is pure b.s.. maybe he turned down husak's offers before because of what you stated 'the board and the administration refuse to provide anything other than empty promises and lip service.' as to the inference that dunlap's heart is not in it, again pure b.s.. he works as hard as any reasonable person would expect of a collegiate head coach. yet, dunlap accepted husak's latest offer 5 years ago despite the losing culture and, as stated at the beginning of this response, has led this team to the 3rd best record (tied) in program history. as to jones, he is not a head coach.
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Post by oldestlion on Mar 26, 2019 18:59:42 GMT -5
Easy to explain! Check the NCAA rankings of the teams we beat, count the number of wins (not including non-Division 1) that were sub-200 in the rankings. Yes, we had great wins (Georgetown and San Francisco) but not many other ranked above us, two losses to Pepperdine and its first year coach, a disgraceful performance at UCLA in a highly publicized game, a no show against Riverside - I don't think you can compare that schedule and record with those of several previous teams who won fewer games.
I never insinuated that Dunlap didn't run a clean program, merely that you can win and still be clean. No reference to Dunlap nor any of players in trouble with the law or bought. Neither did I say he didn't work hard. I did say that he is not one of us and I'll stick to that. He was arrogant when he turned us down the first time, at a time when we needed him more than he needed us. That doesn't sound like one of us. He did take the job when he didn't have a job, when the situation with the administration and the board was really no better than when he turned it down initially.
Regarding Wyking Jones, he is a head coach.
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Post by oldestlion on Mar 26, 2019 19:00:59 GMT -5
Mike Dunlap has wanted the LMU job in the past. When he returned from Australia, he applied for the job, but the AD, Brian Quinn, chose Charles Bradley instead. That hire did not work out so well. Dunlap subsequently found a head coaching job at Metropolitan State. I think he was at Metro State for 9 years. His teams made the Div 2 playoffs every year he was there, they won two Div 2 Championships, they were the runner-up once, and they made the Final Four one time. He applied for the LMU job another time while he was at Metro State. I believe he was the top candidate, but he eventually declined to be considered because he did not believe the administration at that time had sufficient admissions policies and financial support in place for any coach to be successful at LMU.
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Post by oldestlion on Mar 26, 2019 19:08:18 GMT -5
Don't blame Brian Quinn for that one. The decision to hire Bradley came from way above Brian. That's a fact!
Yes, Dunlap did win at Metro State. So did Bradley before coming to LMU and look what that got us.
Regarding an non-cooperating administration and lack of money as excuses for not coming, nothing has really changed. Degree of change, yes, but necessary change, no. Yet, he took the job.
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Post by husky on Mar 26, 2019 19:24:36 GMT -5
I have been critical of Dunlap. Actively rooting for the team while being critical of the coach are not mutually exclusive and should not confer "hater" status. I haven't seen anything on this board thet CMD cannot take, he is not exactly volunteering his services here. Personally I have more less resigned myself to having LMU coached by Dunlap into the predictable future. Griping about Hootevers hero may be a waste of time and space but simply doesn't rise to the "reckless crap" characterization.
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