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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 0:55:09 GMT -5
I think we can compromise on the party and dancing parts and the basketball parts. I've seen other schools Midnight Madnesses on ESPN and they look lifeless and boring. Yea there are dunks but do I really need to see an hour of showboating for showboating sake. The stands at lmu get much rowdier and have a cooler atmosphere. We should mix the two.
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Post by lionboy on Sept 27, 2008 2:47:45 GMT -5
No offense Zagsfan and Lionpride but I will take 3000 students packed in a gym cheering on their fellow students over 200 lifeless souls sitting and watching a lame dunk competition.
I have been to other schools events, every school does it a bit differently, but I think ours is great. Granted, it is not totally about the basketball. But it is a celebration of the start of the basketball season with revelry for all. A lot of schools are going away from these nighttime events in favor of daytime open scrimmages. I think we should have both, as I stated earlier to appease those who want more basketball action. To take away something that is such a huge draw to students before the start of the season would be ludicrous.
Also, let's have honest discussion on here rather than discussing who played on the travel team and who played AYSO in elementary school.
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Post by lionspride on Sept 27, 2008 11:42:01 GMT -5
No offense Zagsfan and Lionpride but I will take 3000 students packed in a gym cheering on their fellow students over 200 lifeless souls sitting and watching a lame dunk competition. I have been to other schools events, every school does it a bit differently, but I think ours is great. Granted, it is not totally about the basketball. But it is a celebration of the start of the basketball season with revelry for all. A lot of schools are going away from these nighttime events in favor of daytime open scrimmages. I think we should have both, as I stated earlier to appease those who want more basketball action. To take away something that is such a huge draw to students before the start of the season would be ludicrous. Also, let's have honest discussion on here rather than discussing who played on the travel team and who played AYSO in elementary school. That is it. Gloves off for this one. I am passionate about this issue. Lionboy, lmutex, and all others in their corner.....a couple of simple questions for you? How many HOURS does it take for the basketball team in past years to "learn" those dance moves? How productive is that? More productive then spending that time shooting free throws? Are the LMU Basketball student-athletes receiving scholarships for their dance moves? If you are true to yourself and answer those questions honestly, LMU's Midnight Madness is a COMPLETE EMBARRASSMENT. And it will be noted like that to the higher up administration if that crap is repeated this year. We (Alumni, current student body, boosters, season ticket holders) are paying Bill Bayno some serious salary. He needs to instill discpline in these student-athletes. Those players could instead of learning dance moves, could be learning a new basketball play, be hitting the books hard to maintain the GPA. Get f-ing real with your arguments on this board. Check yourself at the door of Gersten to watch athletics and not dance competitions. Bill Bayno and these basketball players have an OBLIGATION to uphold their complete focus on academics and athletics. Also, that argument of "3000 students packed in a gym cheering on their fellow students over 200 lifeless souls sitting and watching a lame dunk competition. " does not hold your mom's bag of water. Where the hell are these midnight madness attendence numbers in the regular season. NONEXISTENT. THEREFORE, the way LMU has run its Midnight Madness is NONEFFECTIVE. PERIOD.  Gersten is not stage for dance competitions, but instead athletics. The national Midnight Madness basketball tradition is not a dance competition, but instead a forum to introduce and display your basketball talents. I challenge the LMU Athletics administration to clean up the act or they will be forced to by the alumni and boosters. Cannot wait to show the reel to President Fr. Lawton on his $400k+ basketball coach letting his student-athletes partake in such an event as a dance competition (not to mention it also increases risk of injury to these basketball players) instead of Midnight Madness. Then we can slip him the reel of his former Jesuit university - Georgetown's midnight madness. MMMMM.....which is a basketball program committed to winning basketball games? These are not threats, just promises if LMU Athletics allows their old ways of Midnight Madness to continue this year. Exit stage left, lionboy and lmutex and the rest of your supporters. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 12:48:24 GMT -5
EEK Hoyas dancing during Midnight Madness!
lionspride, you need to chill. These are kids and they want to dance. No one is going to go down in a serious injury for shaking it in front of their friends.
EEK there are dance groups!
I am 100% certain that Bayno Maddness are going to have more basketball because our players are better and students are going to demand it and be drawn to it for basketball but I am certain that the evil dancing will continue. This isn't Pepperdine, where I guess a few dozen students sit there quietly and watch layups.
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Post by jlion on Sept 27, 2008 13:13:37 GMT -5
I totally respect everybody's opinion on this board...but let's not forget that this is an LMU student event, not an alumni event....co-sponsored by ASLMU...that is not only meant to help kick off the basketball season...but to be used as a pep rally/school spirit session to help build LM-Unity. It's about building atmosphere and excitment for the upcoming season. Regardless of the amount or "real basketball action" that occurs at the event, it essentially serves as giant billboard announcing that basketball season is here....and this has been an effective way to reach the masses.
Knowing members of the cheer team (who help "coach" the dance portion of the Madness) last year men's basketball started practicing for the Madness routine the night before. So the actual time spent away from basketball activity is probably in the 1-2 hour range (maybe). And let's be honest, it's not like they're out there break dancing, they are basically doing nothing more than moving around a bit, so the risk of injury is minimal.....as opposed to a dunk contest (which I would still love to see)....but has the potential for injury.
And I know as a 100% UNDISPUTED FACT that the athletics administration has already talked to Bayno, showed him video of Madness, and asked him what he thought of how it is run, and how/if he wanted it changed (to a more "traditional" event) and his exact words were, "If we get 3,000 students there, why would I want to change it?"
Also (as has already been stated in this thread) I too have heard that there is a Crimson and Navy game in the works, that will be followed by the Annual Tipoff Luncheon.
I think having both events (one focused on students the other more alumni/basketball related) will be great for everybody.
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Post by lionspride on Sept 27, 2008 13:50:39 GMT -5
Orange: Get your facts straight....you are skewing the fact that 90% of the March Madness at Georgetown is BASKETBALL. Don't play politics with this one...Orange. A little 42 second dance number from the basketball team on YouTube does not show the whole picture. Maybe you should join Obama or McCain in skewing the truth to the American public. Jlion: If that is an undisputed fact, then I seriously question the administration on giving Bill Bayno the WHOLE PICTURE of LMU Midnight Madness. Bill thinks that 3,000 students (which I question that number...its more like 1,500 as one side of Gersten is shut off typically) show up and continue to show up for games. That excitement of Midnight Madness and LMU Basketball extinguishes the moment those students walk out that Pavillion after midnight. IF and ONLY IF THE ADMINISTRATION was thinking about building a winning program with support from the alumni, boosters, fans, and student body, LMU would include invitations to the alumni, boosters, and season ticket holders to Midnight Madness. The aforementioned is the only way to GROW YOUR PROGRAM and ESTABLISH IT....its about revenues and donations. You are completely EXCLUDING your total revenue source by not inviting this demo to Midnight Madess. LMU Athletic Administration needs to get a damn clue. Or is it simply that the LMU Athletic Administration is completely EMBARRASSED to show their revenue source the crap that happens at Midnight Madness? TIME FOR A CHANGE. Why doesn't Husak and Bayno invite President Lawton to the event for a front row seat?  An UNDISPUTED FACT will be that Husak will have to answer to Bove and Lawton about why is it that the season ticket holders, boosters, and alumni are ALIENATED from a national basketball tradition? MMMMMM........a scrimage and luncheon does not cut it. PERIOD. EXCITEMENT is Midnight Madness. Basketball tradition is Midnight Madness....not a dry luncheon. Have the scrimage during Midnight Madness. And have a fun raising dinner or appetisers and drinks at 9PM on that night for season ticket holders, alumni, boosters. Change needs to occur and will occur by 2009. Having "both events (one focused on students the other more alumni/basketball related) will be great for everybody" makes no sense. Ask yourself the question of if we should break apart a regular season game and have our game strategy strictly focused on offense for one half for those that love offense and play defense in the other half for those who appreciate defense. Does not make sense. This is basketball. |
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Post by lmu2008 on Sept 27, 2008 14:22:55 GMT -5
ummm i think the dance numbers can help with team chemistry... After all they are spending "HOURS" together, the players might even form something called friendships that may help their play on the court.
Lionspride you need to just chill out with the CAPS LOCK key... I feel like your yelling at everyone.
Lastly, keep in mind these are 18 - 20 year old kids who also want to have fun...
Have a great weekend Lions
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Post by phurther on Oct 2, 2008 0:16:47 GMT -5
Lionspride says: "Maybe you should join Obama or McCain in skewing the truth to the American public."
What a silly thing to say. Writing a half truth on a message board only read by its members (for the most part) is nothing like that. At all.
It's this kind of nonsesical hyperbole from jokers like Lionspride that have steered me away from this board...and I have come to agree with LmuTex on this one: Is this guy serious. I really doubt it...and if so, jeez.
And seriously, this is Midnight Madness...it's always been a spectacle just to get people in the door. And getting people in the door by any means possible is certainly necessary on a campus with such widespread apathy toward athletics as LMU. But rest assured, if that team wins games, the apathy will certainly melt -- these are technically LA fans -- that's what they do, they only support winners. I spent a couple years of my college experience working very hard to get more students in the door and learned you can give them cheap beer, free T-shirts, hats or whatever else, but at the end of the day, it's wins that fill the seats.
And in closing. Who really gives a rip if the team gets out there and dances? Believe it not, college kids love crap like this.
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Post by lionspride on Oct 13, 2008 12:36:29 GMT -5
Looks like LMU just set the Midnight Madness date to one week after the traditional Midnight Madness. Don't know why that would be the case, but I guess they are making it PUBLIC. Nice to see that there is a CHANGE in the Air. Wonder why they are now going public with it?  Nice to see the WCC have their first ever media day. Conference is definitely moving up. lmulions.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/101308aaa.htmlPreviews, Press and Tickets Build-up to Hoops Season Men's and women's basketball have busy calendars promoting the start of 2008-09 season in the coming weeks while single game tickets and WCC tournament tickets go on sale Wednesday. Oct. 13, 2008 Los Angeles, CA - The days of taking some time off leading up to a college basketball season are long over, and it will be reflected by the week's to follow for the Loyola Marymount men and women's basketball programs. LMU Men's Basketball Head Coach Bill Bayno and LMU Women's Basketball Head Coach Julie Wilhoit along with their teams will spend the week's leading up to the start of the 2008-09 season with busy schedules bringing Lion fans sneak peaks at the coming basketball campaign. There is also this little thing called practice, as it officially starts this Friday, Oct. 17. Several weeks of promotional activities got started on Oct. 8 as Bayno was a speaker at the annual College Basketball Tip-Off Luncheon hosted by the Wooden Award at the Los Angeles Athletic Club. In addition both teams spent the morning of Oct. 11 with a full slate of film sessions for television and advertising campaigns. The highlight events of the preseason promotional calendar are still to come. The West Coast Conference will host its first-ever Basketball Media Day this Wednesday, Oct. 15 at the Orleans Arena in Las Vegas, Nev. The event will take place from 1:00-3:00 p.m. (PT). Fans can watch live coverage of the event as well as view exclusive on-demand coaches' interviews for free at WCCsports.com. The moderated program gets underway at 1:00 p.m. (PT) with the unveiling of the 2008-09 WCC men's and women's preseason coaches polls as well as the WCC preseason all-conference teams. Later in the day one-on-one interviews with all 16 WCC head coaches will be available for free on-demand viewing. October 15th also serves as the first day that single game tickets for LMU men's and women's basketball will go on sale to the public. In addition, it will also be the day tickets for the 2009 WCC Basketball Championships go on sale. To purchase, call the LMU Ticket Office at (310) 338-LION. Also this week will be the annual LMU Men's Basketball Tip-Off Lunch with the Crimson and Navy Scrimmage. The scrimmage is open to the public in Gersten Pavilion starting around 12:30 p.m. A luncheon will follow but tickets and advance RSVP is required. Contact the LMU Basketball Office at (310) 338-4504. The promotional calendar will conclude with the signature event at LMU, Madness at Midnight. The event will be held in Gersten Pavilion on Friday, Oct. 24 at 10 p.m. The event is open and more information will be on LMULions.com. |
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Post by lambdachi1988lion on Oct 13, 2008 17:35:47 GMT -5
One of the most encouraging things i see on that page is the picture on the top right. LMU is actively promoting this team to the city of LA. Commercials can go a long way to increase attendance and help create new Lion fans. I can't wait for the season to start.
Go Lions
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Post by t on Oct 14, 2008 10:07:45 GMT -5
Unless the squad is choreographing an interpretive dance to a reading of Charles Bukowski’s “Factotum”, to perform at midnight madness, I’m staying at home with my bottle of rye whiskey and basketball Ezee-Erase board to doodle a few in-bounds plays to send to Coach Bayno and the staff, so they concentrate on more important matters, like choreographing an interpretive dance to a reading of Charles Bukowski’s “Factotum”.
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Post by lmutex on Oct 14, 2008 10:33:37 GMT -5
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I 100% agree, save for one aspect; I think we should interpret "Women" instead of "Factotum". While both are masterpieces, being that LMU is a Title IX school, I feel it's appropriate that we include the girl's team as well. Plus, there's the added bonus of having oh, let's say, Drew Viney, interpret the Chamberlain-esque sexuality of Hank Chianski on our women's frontcourt.
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Post by phurther on Oct 15, 2008 13:32:23 GMT -5
Wow, I’m liking the cerebral literary discussion going on here. You know, I’ve always said that what college basketball needs is more Bukowski.
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Post by t on Oct 15, 2008 16:05:40 GMT -5
I find it poignant that one of the greatest writers in my life time, Charles “Hank” Bukowski, and the greatest basketball player to ever play at LMU, Eric “Hank” Gathers, share the same nickname. The obvious recruitment strategy here for Bayno is to pursue a power forward named Fante, but I’d settle for a 2-guard named Bandini.
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Post by jlion on Oct 18, 2008 6:54:36 GMT -5
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An UNDISPUTED FACT will be that Husak will have to answer to Bove and Lawton about why is it that the season ticket holders, boosters, and alumni are ALIENATED from a national basketball tradition? MMMMMM........a scrimage and luncheon does not cut it. PERIOD. EXCITEMENT is Midnight Madness. Basketball tradition is Midnight Madness....not a dry luncheon. Have the scrimage during Midnight Madness. And have a fun raising dinner or appetisers and drinks at 9PM on that night for season ticket holders, alumni, boosters. Change needs to occur and will occur by 2009.
